OWN women Your are right in a lot of what you say, in fact in the more primitive Moslem countries, they even try to stop them having any kind of education, however this does not apply across the whole spectrum, and the few that I've met and even worked with, certainly can look after themselves and then some. I am surprised though that you have found, even in your 1st world country that the ones you've met, will adhere to that barbaric tradition, and cannot agree with you more that anyone demanding total control over another fellow human is utterly despicable.
It is refreshing that we can politely have somewhat different opinions without you demanding that I "educate" myself upon this matter, as mentioned by a member herein that believes he is the ultimate authority on any subject upon this planet, whilst in all probability having a far more inferior education than the people with whom he disagrees. On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 12:21 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > [email protected] > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/topics> > Google > Groups > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > Topic digest > View all topics > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/topics> > > - Digest for [email protected] - 25 updates in 18 topics > <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_0> - 1 Update > - [grendelreport] FINALLY, A SUMMARY ! > <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_1> - 2 Updates > - [grendelreport] European posters > <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_2> - 3 Updates > - Hillary's Medical Condition <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_3> - 5 > Updates > - [grendelreport] How Muslims Justify Killing Other Muslims > <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_4> - 1 Update > - Man's Best Friend --: These are the best > <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_5> - 2 Updates > - Yeah, Keith, the media dishonesty is at an all-time high. > <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_6> - 2 Updates > - Digest for [email protected] - 25 updates in 12 topics > <#m_427658467275962961_group_thread_7> - 1 Update > > Digest for [email protected] - 25 updates in 18 topics > <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/d5f6d3acd9b0e626?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > pluto of brougham <[email protected]>: Aug 05 11:30AM +1000 > > It's time that you really start trying to educate yourself Pluto > > With the greatest respect Keith, your arrogance is truly beyond belief, > anyone that has a different opinion to your own, is totally uneducated in > the subject concerned, may I point out you are NOT the ultimate authority > on every subject under the sun, you may well try to intimidate Plaino by > this recurring crappy mantra, but it's nothing more than SHIT OF THE > BULL!!!! Unlike you, because of the business interests of my family, as I > mentioned before, I have lived in a Moslem country, and everyone got on > very well with each other, and am more familiar with the tenets of Islam > than you are, as is your wont, you pick and choose what suits you, and > equate every demented terrorist as being the norm of that particular > religion. > > There has never been any time that I have defended this ideology, or any > other religion, unlike YOU I look at every subject objectively, something > that your immense ego prevents you to achieve, logic unfortunately has > never featured in your lexicon. > > > > Back to top <#m_427658467275962961_digest_top> > [grendelreport] FINALLY, A SUMMARY ! > <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/25c520965f50ffd5?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Travis <[email protected]>: Aug 04 01:54PM -0500 > > FINALLY, A SUMMARY ! > > > > > > http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=1831 > > > > OBAMA-It was you . . .who spoke these words at an Islamic dinner—'l am one > of you.' <http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=1831> > > Keep this old adage in mind: If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck; > have feathers like a duck; eat like a duck and lay eggs like a duck there > is a very high probability that you're a duck! > > Mike Gallagher, the 8th most recognized talk radio personality in the > country, is heard by over 2.25 million listeners weekly. He compiled and > wrote the following essay entitled, > > "Obama: It was You." > > President Obama: > This is why you didn't go to France to show solidarity against the Muslim > terrorists: > > * It was you . . .who spoke these words at an Islamic dinner—“l am one of > you." > > *It was you . . . who on ABC News referenced—“My Muslim faith." > > *It was you who . . . gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build > foreign mosques. > > * It was you who . . . wrote that in the event of a conflict—“I will stand > with the Muslims." > > * It was you who . . . assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that—“I am a > Muslim." > > * It was you who . . . bowed in submission before the Saudi King. > > * It was you who . . . sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church > condemning Christianity and professing Marxism. > > *It was you who . . . exempted Muslims from penalties under Obamacare that > the rest of us have to pay. > > * It was you who . . . purposefully omitted—“endowed by our Creator”—from > your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence. > > *It was you who . . . mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ's Sermon On the > Mount while repeatedly referring to the “HOLY” Qur'an. > > *It was you who . . . raveled the Islamic world denigrating the United > States of America. > > * It was you who . . . instantly threw the support of your administration > behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the > hallowed crater of the World Trade Center. > > * It was you who . . . refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but > hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the White House. > > *It was you who . . . ordered Georgetown University and Notre Dame to > shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to > speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested the mosques you have > visited to adjust their decor. > > * It was you who . . . appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar > Corps. > > *It was you who . . . appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland Security. > > *It was you who . . . said that NASA's "foremost mission" was an outreach > to Muslim communities. > > *It was you who . . . as an Illinois Senator, was the ONLY individual who > would speak in favor of infanticide. > > *It was you who . . . was the first President not to give a Christmas > Greeting from the White House, and went so far as to hang photos of > Chairman Mao on the White House tree. > > *It was you who . . . curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic > terrorists. > > *It was you who . . . refused to condemn the Fort Hood killer as an Islamic > terrorist. > > * It is you who . . . has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific > executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted > Arizona to the United Nations for investigation of hypothetical > human-rights abuses. > > *It was you . . . who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true > extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised Islam in > a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists > assaults. > > *It was you who . . .funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to > Hamas. > > *It was you who . . . ordered the United States Postal Service to honor the > MUSLIM holiday with a new commemorative stamp. > > *It was you who . . . directed our United Kingdom Embassy to conduct > outreach to help "empower" the British Muslim community. > > *It was you who . . . funded, with U. S. dollars, mandatory Arabic language > and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country. > > *It is you who . . . follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of > jewelry during Ramadan. > > *It is you who . . . departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season to avoid > past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal White House religious > events. > > *It was you who . . . was uncharacteristically quick to join the chorus of > the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, formerly America's > strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to > the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians. > > *It was you who . . . appointed, as your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, an > Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the > Muslim Brotherhood. > > * It was you who . . . said this country is not a Christian nation. > > * It was you who . . . said the Muslim call to worship is the most > beautiful sound on earth. > > QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! > Can there be any doubt that Obama is a true Muslim? > > *Aug 2, 2016* > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> > ------------------------------ > > > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc= > X3oDMTJmOGFoYjMzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNw > SWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NzAzMzA3NDA-> > > > [image: Yahoo! 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Groups] > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYnBtNW1qBF9TAzk3NDc2NT > kwBGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBH > NsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MDMzMDk2NQ--> > • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • > Unsubscribe <[email protected]?subject=Unsubscribe > > > • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> > > __,_._,___ > Perplexed <[email protected]>: Aug 04 02:40PM -0700 > > My favorites: > > [image: > https://11769562977736654870.googlegroups.com/attach/ > 4f77973c3c59f/clip_image005.jpg?part=0.5&view=1&vt= > ANaJVrGx53XSZScT5ABnYz-kbw-Kzs8YUtZKr1IsF6wp1nbRPnrs6VrtT > Mpw5TywAul7K2TtZNroRq6WBQkkUN9PY9Q3SJhvBHzM34TXFLfxTAHHL0EwAr4] > > [image: > https://11769562977736654870.googlegroups.com/attach/ > 4f77973c3c59f/clip_image001.jpg?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrGYfmdvX_ > PbkLOZ8Su7fSX5jxRp6Rg72WUkrcQp600vELvnKxb4Dhd_ > us7nrrQLtgjXvKMiaQD0XgtqXerob1FwEAeVWLCbxkFMwkRLMxjOqCbfBlQ] > > On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:56:15 PM UTC-4, Travis wrote: > Perplexed <[email protected]>: Aug 04 02:42PM -0700 > > My two favorites: > > > > > > On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:56:15 PM UTC-4, Travis wrote: > Back to top <#m_427658467275962961_digest_top> > Hillary's Medical Condition > <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/40ef4199adbfeab5?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > [email protected]: Aug 04 12:54PM -0400 > > The media has reported on Hillary's condition when they said she had a > "concussion" as the result of a fall. Given her long history of lies to > the > American people I have my doubts about that story. Did she herself report > the > concussion or did the medical folks report that. She showed the same > sypmptoms as a former employee now retired but he had a small stroke and > woke up > blind but his vision did return......thank God. Never heard of those thick > glasses she wore after her fall ever being worn because of a > concussion.....however, I'm sure folks out there in computer land may know > about that and > I would love to hear from them. Additionaly, one lens of her glasses was > much thicker then the other lens and that was also noticeable when she > testified before Congress. Also, the former employee who did have a stroke > now > takes the same blood thinning med as Hillary takes for her so called > concussion. I am unaware of the foot ballers taking blood thinning meds > for the > concussions they sustain but blood thinners are a common treatment for > stroke > victims and I have relatives who are taking them to prevent another > stroke. Also, would love to get a peek at her ankles to see if they are > swollen......another indication of a heart circulation problem but she > wears those > pant suits almost exclusively that cover her ankles and we never get a > peek. Is that the reason for all the pant suits and no dresses any > longer.....is she again hiding info from the American people as she is > want to do? > It's all a puzzlement... > Travis <[email protected]>: Aug 04 01:52PM -0500 > > If Hillfullofbeans had a brain tumor and had only 6 months to live she > would still not get out of the race or be sworn in if she won. > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum < > Perplexed <[email protected]>: Aug 04 02:31PM -0700 > > Hello Bill. > > Here is a link describing the Fresnel prism eyeglasses: > http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/05/16/ophthalmologist- > weighs-in-on-clinton-glasses-spectacle.html > It does state that they are used for double vision and that the cause can > be blood clots - which she definitely had and now takes Coumadin (a blood > thinner) for. But they claimed her double vision was from a fall and > concussion; not sure how they could possibly determine that. > > As for her ankles, I have said for years it wouldn't surprise me in the > least if she has CHF (congestive heart failure). Lower extremity swelling > is a classic symptom of it. So is coughing, which she's been doing quite a > bit of. > > Obama was the first president in recent memory to get away with having his > doctor sign a one-page note certifying his fitness for office. I seem to > recall McCain having to release all kinds of crap when he ran as they made > such a big deal of his previous bouts with skin cancer. They also made a > huge ordeal of his age - which was 72. Yet nobody seems to be at all > concerned with a woman who's obviously terrified to show her ankles, who > clearly has circulatory issues, and will be 69 at the time of the election > - just 3 years younger than McCain, but with OBVIOUSLY more serious health > issues. > > On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:54:16 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: > Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Aug 04 05:33PM -0400 > > I too recall the "McCain Health Bill of Fitness" requirement.... > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 5:31 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum < > Perplexed <[email protected]>: Aug 04 02:33PM -0700 > > Also, she apparently wore those glasses again in January of this year on > the campaign trail. Can't imagine that would be due to a concussion from 3 > years ago. > > On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:54:16 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: > Back to top <#m_427658467275962961_digest_top> > [grendelreport] How Muslims Justify Killing Other Muslims > <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/d4e8523c56a16a9?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Travis <[email protected]>: Aug 04 01:55PM -0500 > > https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/08/01/how- > muslims-justify-killing-other-muslims/?singlepage=true > > > How Muslims Justify Killing Other Muslims > > > > By Raymond Ibrahim <https://pjmedia.com/columnist/raymond-ibrahim> August > 1, 2016 > > > > [image: Description: Description: > https://pajamasmed.hs.llnwd.net/e1/homeland-security/user- > content/53/files/2016/08/terror-attack-medina.sized-770x415xc.jpg] > > How Muslims Justify Killing Other Muslims > > [image: Description: Description: > https://assets.pinterest.com/images/pidgets/pinit_fg_en_rect_red_28.png] > > Those who claim that terrorism committed in the name of Islam has “nothing > to do with Islam” received much ostensible fodder via the recent spate of > terrorist attacks in Bangladesh, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia in the closing days > of Ramadan. > > Because these three countries are overwhelmingly Muslim-majority, the > talking heads are now sure of it: the terrorists have nothing to do with > the religion of Islam, which in fact bans the indiscriminate slaughter of > fellow Muslims. > > Is that the case? Is it that simple? > > No. In fact, from the start of Islam, Muslims have relied on these same > rationalizations to justify the slaughter of other Muslims. > > First, consider the following outpouring of “told you Islam wasn’t > responsible for terrorism” (compiled by Robert Spencer > <https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/robert-spencer-muslims-wouldnt-bomb- > muhammads-city-would-they-sure-they-would> > ): > > Maher Zain, a multi-platinum-winning singer and songwriter who is Muslim, > wrote > on Twitter > <https://twitter.com/MaherZain?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp% > 7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > to > his 1.47 million followers: “Still need proof that ISIS is the foremost > enemy of Islam? They attack the Prophet’s City. Terror knows no religion!” > > Boxer Amir Khan > <https://twitter.com/amirkingkhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp% > 7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > tweeted > <https://twitter.com/amirkingkhan/status/750092311514710017?ref_src= > twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet> > to > his 1.75 million followers: “The attack in our beloved Prophet Muhammad’s > city Madinah proves that Isis has no religion!” > > The UK Muslim broadcaster Mohammed Shafiq > <https://twitter.com/mshafiquk>wrote: > “The attack on #Madinah <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Madinah?src=hash> was > an attack against all Muslims.” > > After Islamic State jihadists screaming “Allahu akbar” murdered > <http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/02/ > 20-hostages-killed-13-saved-bangladesh-restaurant-attack/> > twenty > hostages at the Holey Artisan Bakery in Dhaka on the night of July 1, > the serially > deceptive > <https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/time-mag-jihadists- > dont-understand-the-quran> > Islamic > apologist Qasim Rashid tweeted > <https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/749170772686606336>: “In #Ramadan > <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ramadan?src=hash>’s final 10 days, Daesh has > mass murdered dozens in three Muslim majority nations Please tell me more > about how Islamic they are.” > > In another tweet <https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/749171561446404096>, > he included a photo captioned: “So you’re telling me they killed Muslims > during Ramadan and you still blame Islam? Are you that incompetent or that > bigoted?” > > To that, Rashid added: “Likewise, how I feel when I hear Islamophobes claim > Islam was somehow behind the #DhakaAttack > <https://twitter.com/hashtag/DhakaAttack?src=hash>.” > > Echoing Rashid was no less illustrious a personage than Bangladesh’s Prime > Minister Sheikh Hasina, who insisted > <http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/02/ > 20-hostages-killed-13-saved-bangladesh-restaurant-attack/>: > “Anyone who believes in religion cannot do such act. They do not have any > religion, their only religion is terrorism.” > > Speaking after the San Bernardino > <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/12/11/cair-blames- > america-for-san-bernardino-massacre/> > terror > attack that left 14 dead, U.S. President Barack Obama -- who also insists > that the Islamic State “is not Islamic > <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2014/10/17/the-islamic-state-and-islam/>” > -- > agreed > <http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/06/politics/transcript-obama- > san-bernardino-isis-address/> > with the above sentiments: > > "*ISIL does not speak for Islam*. They are thugs and killers, part of a > cult of death … *Moreover, the vast majority of terrorist victims around > the world are Muslim.*" > > Sponsored > > Let’s examine the accuracy of all the above statements. > > First, it should be noted that the jihadis *are* aware that they should not > randomly kill fellow Sunnis. This was the case in the Bangladesh attack. > With police fire whizzing over their heads, the jihadis still managed to > question their hostages. They released those that could verify they were > Muslim, and killed those who could not. > > As documented here > <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2016/07/13/prove-youre-muslim-or-die/>, > jihadis around the world -- in Libya, Kenya, Mali, Nigeria -- regularly > follow the same protocol of separating Muslims from non-Muslims before > slaughtering the latter. > > As for the *deliberate* slaughter of fellow Muslims, it must be remembered > that mainstream Sunni Islam -- the world’s dominant strand of Islam, which > ISIS adheres to -- *views all non-Sunnis as false Muslims*. At best, > non-Sunnis are heretics who need to submit to the “true Islam” no less than > the infidels. > > This is largely how Sunnis view Shias, and *vice versa* -- hence their > perennial war. While Western talking heads tend to lump them together as > “Muslims,” each group -- especially the “radicals” among them, the jihadis > -- views the other as an enemy. > > Only in recent times, as both groups plot against the West and Israel, have > we seen Sunni and Shia occasionally cooperate. > > The Sunni-Shia adversarial relationship was the motivation behind the > terror strikes in Karada -- a Shia neighborhood in Iraq -- and the bombing > in Saudi Arabia’s Shia majority Qatif province. Both attacks were > undertaken due to the same reasoning behind Muslims attacking and murdering > Christian minorities, or European, American, and Israeli citizens: all > are *infidels. > *All must either embrace the true faith, be subjugated, or die > <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/12/13/swedish- > government-in-state-of-panic-after-isis-letters-give- > dozens-of-citizens-three-days-to-convert-to-islam-or-be-decapitated/> > . > > Contrary to the statements above, including that of President Obama, Sunnis > murdering Shias or Shias murdering Sunnis *is Islamic*. > > Sponsored > > So what about Sunni-on-Sunni violence? > > Sunni-on-Sunni violence is *easily justified* when one group engages in > *takfir*: the denunciation of another group as being *kafir*, or *infidels, > *as infidel blood can be shed with impunity. > > *Takfir* has existed alongside Islam almost from its inception, beginning > with the *khawarij* (Kharijites). They denounced and slaughtered fellow > Muslims for not following the letter of the law. *Takfir** has been the > primary rationale* used to justify jihad between different Sunni nations > and empires throughout the centuries. > > *Takfir* also explains the attacks on the American consulate in Jeddah. > Jihadi groups regularly denounce the Saudi rulers as apostates due to the > Saudis’ close relationships with non-Muslim powers such as the United > States. This charge goes all the way back to Osama bin Laden, who -- though > radicalized by Saudi education -- ended up denouncing the monarchy for > allowing the U.S. military to be stationed in the Arabian Peninsula. > > As for the attack near the prophet’s tomb in Medina -- which seems like a > direct attack on Islam itself -- the fact is that strict Islamic teaching > (“Wahabbi” and “Salafi”) condemns and seeks to purge *all* prophets’ tombs. > > These tombs are seen as promoting *shirk*, the sin of sharing in Allah’s > glory. This is why the Saudi government itself has sought to destroy the > prophet’s tomb > <http://www.crescent-online.net/2014/10/saudi-plan-to- > destroy-the-prophets-tomb-4667-articles.html> > . > > What about pious Sunnis who are *accidentally* killed during the jihad? > > Such Sunnis who die as “collateral damage” have long been classified as > “martyrs” destined to enter Islam’s paradise. Indeed, the topic of fellow > Sunnis being killed during the jihad has been widely addressed throughout > the centuries. > > More recently, it received a thorough analysis from al-Qaeda leader Ayman > Al-Zawahiri in his essay, “Jihad, Martyrdom, and the Killing of > Innocents” (*The > Al Qaeda Reader* > <http://www.amazon.com/Qaeda-Reader-Essential-Terrorist- > Organization/dp/076792262X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8& > qid=1450292157&sr=1-1&keywords=al+qaeda+reader>, > pgs. 137-171). After delineating how three of the four schools of Sunni > jurisprudence -- Hanafi, Shafi‘i, and Hanbali -- do *not* forbid the > accidental or inevitable killing of Muslims during the jihad, Zawahiri > concluded: > > The only thing *mujahidin* [jihadis] are specifically required to do, > should they knowingly kill a Muslim [who is intermixed with the targeted > infidels], is make atonement. Blood money, however, is a way out of the > dispute altogether. > > Payment should be made only when there is a surplus of monies, which are no > longer needed to fund the *jihad*. Again, this is only if their [Muslims] > intermingling with the infidels is for a legitimate reason, such as > business. > > And we assume that those who are killed are martyrs, and believe that what > the Sheikh of Islam [Ibn Taymiyya] said about them applies: “[T]hose > Muslims who are accidentally killed are martyrs; and *the obligatory * > *jihad** should never be abandoned because it creates martyrs*.” > > In short: > > - To Sunni jihadis, non-Sunnis are heretics and thus fair game to be > killed. > > > - Fellow Sunnis who deliberately impede can be pronounced apostates, and > attacked accordingly. > > > - Jihadis should *try* to separate true Sunnis from the intended infidel > targets -- as happened in Bangladesh and elsewhere. > > > - But if these true Muslims die accidentally, they are martyrs. And most > importantly, “*the obligatory **jihad **should never be abandoned > because it creates martyrs*.” > > The argument that jihadi organizations kill fellow Muslims proves > nothing. Muslims have been slaughtering Muslims under a number of > justifications and rationalizations since the beginnings of Islam. > > So what kind of treatment can the non-Muslim -- such as the Western infidel > -- expect? > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> > ------------------------------ > > > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc= > X3oDMTJmaTd0Y2tsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNw > SWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NzAzMzEwMDY-> > > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcDI5Y2hhBF9TAzk3NDc2NT > kwBGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBH > NsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MDMzMTAwNg--> > • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • > Unsubscribe <[email protected]?subject=Unsubscribe > > > • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> > > __,_._,___ > Back to top <#m_427658467275962961_digest_top> > Man's Best Friend --: These are the best > <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/2e1eef5ed4b57b96?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Perplexed <[email protected]>: Aug 04 09:02AM -0700 > > :-) > > yeah, vets are quite expensive these days! > > My neighbors just adopted a "rescue" dog. They said it took 6 months and > involved every bit as much scrutiny as it does to adopt a kid! > > On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 11:19:19 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote: > Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Aug 04 01:02PM -0400 > > For a while, I was on the ESRA committee that approves "Adoptions"; and I > personally did a hand full of home visits for adoption. It is intense! > (They also came to my home before I was allowed to adopt!) > > All-In-All, I am not opposed to this procedure, and moreover, you get to > meet the folks who are wanting to adopt, which proved to be a great > experience for me! I never met anyone I didn't like or that I wouldn't have > approved! > > > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:02 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum < > Back to top <#m_427658467275962961_digest_top> > Yeah, Keith, the media dishonesty is at an all-time high. > <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/2f8a5506496d999a?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Perplexed <[email protected]>: Aug 04 09:05AM -0700 > > My mouth just hangs open whenever I switch to CNN. All hate all the time; > nothing but leftwing loonbats or a 6-1 panel where 6 leftloons bash and > talk over the one Trump supporter. They've become as bad as MSLSD ever was > IMO. > > On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 11:14:38 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote: > Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Aug 04 12:56PM -0400 > > Pretty much "Spot On" Perp! I am amazed that evenn the Moonbats are not > up in arms.....It's so blatant! > > > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:05 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum < > Back to top <#m_427658467275962961_digest_top> > Digest for [email protected] - 25 updates in 12 topics > <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/6e1ecf19e1e38c21?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Perplexed <[email protected]>: Aug 04 08:56AM -0700 > > That's interesting. Though I agree that historically traditional marriage > vows in Christianity included clauses of the wife vowing to be obedient to > her husband, I think until the past 40 years or so, that is precisely what > they did. Look at the television shows of the 50s and 60s that accurately > portrayed women of that era as housewives whose most important functions > in > life were cleaning the house and having dinner on the table when their > husbands got home. > > Today, in 40% of heterosexual married couples the female is the > breadwinner > of the family. When I was married in the early 90s that number was only > 20%; I was making about twice what my husband made at the time and > out-earned him for decades. So yeah, we finally said, "wth" with those > vows > and nixed them from our marriage vows. I recall in 1991 when we met with > the Methodist minister who was going to marry us, telling him I was not > going to be "given away" by my father or anyone else. His response was, > "Good - you're not cattle!", lol. > > But if you look at Muslim women, unfortunately they ARE still cattle in > far > too many places. They wear what they're told. They can't own property, go > to school, or vote. Polygamy (for men only, of course, abounds. And even > in > the "enlightened" Muslim countries women are still treated as subservient > to men in countless ways. It's not only enshrined in their religion and > tradition, but in their laws. If they had laws as we do in the US > demanding > equal rights (regardless of gender), those oppressive tenets of Islam > would > be illegal and punished. Exactly nowhere does that happen in any Muslim > country. > > Even here in America, the few Muslims I know don't follow sharia law, yet > the woman is COMPLETELY subservient to her husband, wears what she is > told, > and thinks what she is told to think. It's palpable - even in educated > professionals (which happen to be the only Muslims I know personally). I > admit I have a hard time respecting these Muslim women who are smarter and > far more talented than their narrow-minded husbands who cling to Islam IMO > because they know they have some intrinsic sick need to control women and > think they exist to serve them. > > I mean no offense, but Muslim men IMO are the weakest, most pathetic > creatures on the planet, as evidenced by their need to use religion to > oppress and control - and yes - OWN women. And I'll add that this is at > least partially why 20% of them now resort to being murderous psychopaths > - > they see women gaining equal rights in more and more places around the > world and they simply can't fathom their "cattle" being considered equal > to > them. > > On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:53:47 AM UTC-4, pluto of brougham wrote: > Back to top <#m_427658467275962961_digest_top> > You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this > group. You can change your settings on the group membership page > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/join> > . > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an > email to [email protected]. > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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