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*"72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, have been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States who hail from those seven nations,"* And apparently; you're good with that Rebel? Okie-Dokie..... *"Everything Changes~~Nothing Changes~~"* On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:42 PM, minister Rebel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Some thing for you guys to start a converstaion on, My question is...Why > is Miller lying ? Why is he spewing out false facts ? And why does Chump > refuse to acknowledge that Miller ought be fired on the spot ? > > > First of all, 72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration > Studies, have been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States > who hail from those seven nations, point one.” > — White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller, interview on NBC’s > “Meet the Press,” Feb. 12, 2017 > “We know there’s at least several dozen, perhaps many more than that, > cases of terrorism from these countries that have happened in the United > States in terms of terroristic plots, terroristic activity, material > support for terrorism, supporting terrorism overseas, all different kinds > of terroristic activity that’s been interdicted in the United States > tracing back to these seven countries.” > — Miller, ABC’s “This Week,” Feb. 12 > Miller earned Four Pinocchios for repeating debunked claims about voter > fraud on the Sunday shows. But he made other problematic claims as well. In > defending President Trump’s executive order on immigration, he said on the > Sunday shows that dozens of people “have been implicated in terroristic > activity,” including providing material support for terrorism. > Miller claimed this, despite the 9th Circuit Court panel’s ruling that > “the Government has pointed to no evidence that any alien from any of the > countries named in the Order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the > United States.” What is Miller talking about? > The Facts > > Miller is citing research by the Center for Immigration Studies, which > supports lower levels of legal and illegal immigration. According to the > center’s study, released Feb. 11, 72 people from the seven countries > identified through the executive order have been “convicted in terror cases > since the 9/11 attacks.” The seven countries are Iran, Iraq, Libya, > Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. > As we have documented before, the Trump administration compiled the list > from countries previously identified by Congress and the Obama > administration as potentially problematic if someone had traveled to them > since 2011, but Trump then used the list to try to ban citizens of those > countries from traveling to the United States. > The center found that 33 of the 72 people “were convicted of very serious > terror-related crimes,” including conspiracy to commit a terrorist act, > material support of a terrorist or terrorist group, and international > money-laundering conspiracy. > On the list were the two Iraqi refugees in Bowling Green, Ky., who in 2011 > were arrested and faced federal terrorism charges after it was discovered > that, before becoming refugees, they had potentially targeted U.S. soldiers > in Iraq. The revelation prompted the Obama administration to impose new, > more extensive background checks on Iraqi refugees. > Other examples included: > • Nima Yusuf, a native of Somalia, who pleaded guilty in > 2011 to conspiring to provide material support to al-Shabab. In her plea > agreement, she said she had worked to provide money and personnel for > al-Shabab, knowing the group was designated as a foreign terrorist > organization. > • Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame, a native of Somalia, who in 2011 > pleaded guilty to a nine-count indictment charging him with providing > material support to al-Shabab and al-Qaeda. The FBI’s announcement of > Warsame’s guilty plea labeled him as “al Shabaab’s emissary to AQAP > [al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula] and arranged for al Shabaab to purchase > weapons directly from AQAP.” > • Mohamad Mustapha Ali Masfaka, a native of Syria, who in > 2010 was sentenced to prison after pleading guilty to making false > statements under oath in naturalization proceedings. Masfaka, a singer, was > indicted on a charge of lying to federal officials about his involvement > with the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, a designated > terrorist organization. > • Manssor Arbabsiar, a native of Iran, who in 2013 was > sentenced to prison after pleading guilty to one count of murder for hire, > one count of conspiracy to commit murder for hire and one count of > conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism. Arbabsiar participated in a plot > to murder the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, along with > members of Iran’s Quds Force, designated “as a terrorist supporter for > providing material support to the Taliban and other terrorist > organizations.” > But it’s important to note that being convicted of material support is not > always evidence that the person was planning a terrorist attack or > terrorism-related activities. > Some cases involved individuals who were convicted of charges unrelated to > terrorism activities, but whom prosecutors charged were related to > terrorist groups abroad. For example, three Rochester businessmen (Mohamed > Al Huraibi, Yehia Ali Ahmed Alomari and Saleh Mohamed Taher Saeed) were > convicted of money-laundering charges in 2009. Federal prosecutors charged > that the men sent $200,000 overseas knowing the money could benefit > Hezbollah. > But according to the Associated Press, “authorities stressed that the men > had no links to any terrorist groups and have not been charged with any > terrorism crimes.” A federal prosecutor said at the time: “This is simply a > money laundering case. There are no charges claiming that they were giving > money or aiding any terrorist organizations.” > The Center for Immigration Studies noted there were charges of terror > links that prosecutors decided not to pursue in court. > In one 2013 case, Siavosh Henareh, was sentenced to prison for conspiring > to import heroin into the United States. Henareh was one of three > defendants charged in connection to trafficking of drugs and weapons on > behalf of Hezbollah. Henareh faced a narcotics charge, but his two > co-defendants were convicted of conspiring to provide material support > to Hezbollah. > Some of the people on this list had entered the United States decades > before they were charged with any of the crimes — as early as 1972. This > list included people who were naturalized citizens, legal permanent > residents, refugees, people whose citizenship statuses were unknown, and a > Canadian citizen and a Dutch citizen born in Iraq. > Moreover, the list also includes about two dozen cases that are related to > charges of fraudulent visas, passport forgery or making false statements. > In some cases, the people were specifically found not to have any known > ties to terrorism operations. Some were a part of investigations following > the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, of people suspected of being connected to > the hijackers. Some were found not to have such ties, or were convicted of > making false statements to federal investigators about how much they knew > about the 9/11 hijackers. > For example: > • Mohamed Albanna, native of Yemen and a U.S. citizen for 27 > years at the time of his 2002 indictment, was convicted of money > laundering. At the time of his indictment in Buffalo, the special agent in > charge of the U.S. Customs Service there said authorities “had no evidence > to link the money transfer to any terror-related activity.” > • Numan Maflahi, a native of Yemen, was convicted in 2004 of > lying during a terrorism investigation. Maflahi “denied helping a Yemeni > cleric who prosecutors said made a fund-raising trip to Brooklyn mosques in > 1999,” and the cleric was thought to have connections to al-Qaeda. > • About 10 people who were among 20 men of Middle Eastern > origin arrested after the 9/11 attacks under suspicion of fraudulently > obtaining a license to transport hazardous materials. None of them were > linked to terrorist groups. > • Nageeb Abdul Jabar Al-Hadi, a native of Yemen, was found > guilty of visa and passport fraud. He had used the documents to get on a > flight hours after the 9/11 attacks. His attorney said he was a “victim of > bad advice from his friends in his home country.” > • Hadir Awad, native of Syria, was accused of borrowing a > passport from a friend and using it to enter the United States illegally in > 1999. He was convicted of a charge of visa fraud. > The White House did not provide an explanation when we asked for one. > As we noted before, of about 400 people charged with or credibly involved > in jihad-inspired activity in the United States since 9/11, just under half > (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan > think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized > citizens, and 44 were permanent residents. > Trump’s executive order applies to migrants, refugees and potentially even > U.S. green-card holders from these seven countries. But the order would not > have prevented some of the most high-profile terrorist attacks by people > from countries excluded from that list, including the 9/11 hijackers, the > attackers in San Bernardino, Calif., and the Boston Marathon bombers. > The Pinocchio Test > > Miller cited this research to say that several dozen people from the seven > countries identified in the executive order were involved in “all different > kinds of terroristic activity.” But upon closer examination of the cases on > the list, it becomes clear that his statement went too far. In fact, this > is pretty thin gruel on which to make sweeping claims about the alleged > threat posed to the United States by these seven countries, especially > because the allegations often did not concern alleged terrorist acts in the > United States. > The list does include some people who were convicted of providing material > support, such as money or personnel, to groups that are designated as > terrorist organizations, such as al-Shabab and al-Qaeda. But it also > includes people who were convicted of passport fraud, visa fraud and making > fraudulent claims to federal investigators. About two dozen people on this > list were not charged with any crimes relating to providing material > support to known or suspected terrorist activities or organizations. > Others were believed to be tangentially related to terrorism groups > abroad, but did not face terrorism charges. Regardless of the direct or > tangential ties that investigators believe each individual may have to > terrorist activities, these charges need to be proven in a court of law. > Suspected or potential terror links involving these 72 individuals do not > confirm Miller’s claim that they were “implicated in terrorist activity.” > Moreover, some people on this list entered the United States — many of > them naturalized — decades before they were charged with any of the crimes. > That makes Miller’s use of this list to defend Trump’s executive order > quite questionable. We award Three Pinocchios. > Three Pinocchios > > -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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