Uhm.....I didn't get past this first line:


*"72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, have
been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States who hail from
those seven nations,"*

And apparently;  you're good with that Rebel?

Okie-Dokie.....

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:42 PM, minister Rebel <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> Some thing for you guys to start a converstaion on,  My question is...Why
> is Miller lying ?  Why is he spewing out false facts  ? And why does Chump
> refuse to acknowledge that Miller ought be fired on the spot ?
>
>
> First of all, 72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration
> Studies, have been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States
> who hail from those seven nations, point one.”
> — White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller, interview on NBC’s
> “Meet the Press,” Feb. 12, 2017
> “We know there’s at least several dozen, perhaps many more than that,
> cases of terrorism from these countries that have happened in the United
> States in terms of terroristic plots, terroristic activity, material
> support for terrorism, supporting terrorism overseas, all different kinds
> of terroristic activity that’s been interdicted in the United States
> tracing back to these seven countries.”
> — Miller, ABC’s “This Week,” Feb. 12
> Miller earned Four Pinocchios for repeating debunked claims about voter
> fraud on the Sunday shows. But he made other problematic claims as well. In
> defending President Trump’s executive order on immigration, he said on the
> Sunday shows that dozens of people “have been implicated in terroristic
> activity,” including providing material support for terrorism.
> Miller claimed this, despite the 9th Circuit Court panel’s ruling that
> “the Government has pointed to no evidence that any alien from any of the
> countries named in the Order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the
> United States.” What is Miller talking about?
> The Facts
>
> Miller is citing research by the Center for Immigration Studies, which
> supports lower levels of legal and illegal immigration. According to the
> center’s study, released Feb. 11, 72 people from the seven countries
> identified through the executive order have been “convicted in terror cases
> since the 9/11 attacks.” The seven countries are Iran, Iraq, Libya,
> Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.
> As we have documented before, the Trump administration compiled the list
> from countries previously identified by Congress and the Obama
> administration as potentially problematic if someone had traveled to them
> since 2011, but Trump then used the list to try to ban citizens of those
> countries from traveling to the United States.
> The center found that 33 of the 72 people “were convicted of very serious
> terror-related crimes,” including conspiracy to commit a terrorist act,
> material support of a terrorist or terrorist group, and international
> money-laundering conspiracy.
> On the list were the two Iraqi refugees in Bowling Green, Ky., who in 2011
> were arrested and faced federal terrorism charges after it was discovered
> that, before becoming refugees, they had potentially targeted U.S. soldiers
> in Iraq. The revelation prompted the Obama administration to impose new,
> more extensive background checks on Iraqi refugees.
> Other examples included:
>         •       Nima Yusuf, a native of Somalia, who pleaded guilty in
> 2011 to conspiring to provide material support to al-Shabab. In her plea
> agreement, she said she had worked to provide money and personnel for
> al-Shabab, knowing the group was designated as a foreign terrorist
> organization.
>         •       Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame, a native of Somalia, who in 2011
> pleaded guilty to a nine-count indictment charging him with providing
> material support to al-Shabab and al-Qaeda. The FBI’s announcement of
> Warsame’s guilty plea labeled him as “al Shabaab’s emissary to AQAP
> [al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula] and arranged for al Shabaab to purchase
> weapons directly from AQAP.”
>         •       Mohamad Mustapha Ali Masfaka, a native of Syria, who in
> 2010 was sentenced to prison after pleading guilty to making false
> statements under oath in naturalization proceedings. Masfaka, a singer, was
> indicted on a charge of lying to federal officials about his involvement
> with the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, a designated
> terrorist organization.
>         •       Manssor Arbabsiar, a native of Iran, who in 2013 was
> sentenced to prison after pleading guilty to one count of murder for hire,
> one count of conspiracy to commit murder for hire and one count of
> conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism. Arbabsiar participated in a plot
> to murder the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, along with
> members of Iran’s Quds Force, designated “as a terrorist supporter for
> providing material support to the Taliban and other terrorist
> organizations.”
> But it’s important to note that being convicted of material support is not
> always evidence that the person was planning a terrorist attack or
> terrorism-related activities.
> Some cases involved individuals who were convicted of charges unrelated to
> terrorism activities, but whom prosecutors charged were related to
> terrorist groups abroad. For example, three Rochester businessmen (Mohamed
> Al Huraibi, Yehia Ali Ahmed Alomari and Saleh Mohamed Taher Saeed) were
> convicted of money-laundering charges in 2009. Federal prosecutors charged
> that the men sent $200,000 overseas knowing the money could benefit
> Hezbollah.
> But according to the Associated Press, “authorities stressed that the men
> had no links to any terrorist groups and have not been charged with any
> terrorism crimes.” A federal prosecutor said at the time: “This is simply a
> money laundering case. There are no charges claiming that they were giving
> money or aiding any terrorist organizations.”
> The Center for Immigration Studies noted there were charges of terror
> links that prosecutors decided not to pursue in court.
> In one 2013 case, Siavosh Henareh, was sentenced to prison for conspiring
> to import heroin into the United States. Henareh was one of three
> defendants charged in connection to trafficking of drugs and weapons on
> behalf of Hezbollah. Henareh faced a narcotics charge, but his two
> co-defendants were convicted of conspiring to provide material support
> to Hezbollah.
> Some of the people on this list had entered the United States decades
> before they were charged with any of the crimes — as early as 1972. This
> list included people who were naturalized citizens, legal permanent
> residents, refugees, people whose citizenship statuses were unknown, and a
> Canadian citizen and a Dutch citizen born in Iraq.
> Moreover, the list also includes about two dozen cases that are related to
> charges of fraudulent visas, passport forgery or making false statements.
> In some cases, the people were specifically found not to have any known
> ties to terrorism operations. Some were a part of investigations following
> the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, of people suspected of being connected to
> the hijackers. Some were found not to have such ties, or were convicted of
> making false statements to federal investigators about how much they knew
> about the 9/11 hijackers.
> For example:
>         •       Mohamed Albanna, native of Yemen and a U.S. citizen for 27
> years at the time of his 2002 indictment, was convicted of money
> laundering. At the time of his indictment in Buffalo, the special agent in
> charge of the U.S. Customs Service there said authorities “had no evidence
> to link the money transfer to any terror-related activity.”
>         •       Numan Maflahi, a native of Yemen, was convicted in 2004 of
> lying during a terrorism investigation. Maflahi “denied helping a Yemeni
> cleric who prosecutors said made a fund-raising trip to Brooklyn mosques in
> 1999,” and the cleric was thought to have connections to al-Qaeda.
>         •       About 10 people who were among 20 men of Middle Eastern
> origin arrested after the 9/11 attacks under suspicion of fraudulently
> obtaining a license to transport hazardous materials. None of them were
> linked to terrorist groups.
>         •       Nageeb Abdul Jabar Al-Hadi, a native of Yemen, was found
> guilty of visa and passport fraud. He had used the documents to get on a
> flight hours after the 9/11 attacks. His attorney said he was a “victim of
> bad advice from his friends in his home country.”
>         •       Hadir Awad, native of Syria, was accused of borrowing a
> passport from a friend and using it to enter the United States illegally in
> 1999. He was convicted of a charge of visa fraud.
> The White House did not provide an explanation when we asked for one.
> As we noted before, of about 400 people charged with or credibly involved
> in jihad-inspired activity in the United States since 9/11, just under half
> (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan
> think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized
> citizens, and 44 were permanent residents.
> Trump’s executive order applies to migrants, refugees and potentially even
> U.S. green-card holders from these seven countries. But the order would not
> have prevented some of the most high-profile terrorist attacks by people
> from countries excluded from that list, including the 9/11 hijackers, the
> attackers in San Bernardino, Calif., and the Boston Marathon bombers.
> The Pinocchio Test
>
> Miller cited this research to say that several dozen people from the seven
> countries identified in the executive order were involved in “all different
> kinds of terroristic activity.” But upon closer examination of the cases on
> the list, it becomes clear that his statement went too far. In fact, this
> is pretty thin gruel on which to make sweeping claims about the alleged
> threat posed to the United States by these seven countries, especially
> because the allegations often did not concern alleged terrorist acts in the
> United States.
> The list does include some people who were convicted of providing material
> support, such as money or personnel, to groups that are designated as
> terrorist organizations, such as al-Shabab and al-Qaeda. But it also
> includes people who were convicted of passport fraud, visa fraud and making
> fraudulent claims to federal investigators. About two dozen people on this
> list were not charged with any crimes relating to providing material
> support to known or suspected terrorist activities or organizations.
> Others were believed to be tangentially related to terrorism groups
> abroad, but did not face terrorism charges. Regardless of the direct or
> tangential ties that investigators believe each individual may have to
> terrorist activities, these charges need to be proven in a court of law.
> Suspected or potential terror links involving these 72 individuals do not
> confirm Miller’s claim that they were “implicated in terrorist activity.”
> Moreover, some people on this list entered the United States — many of
> them naturalized — decades before they were charged with any of the crimes.
> That makes Miller’s use of this list to defend Trump’s executive order
> quite questionable. We award Three Pinocchios.
> Three Pinocchios
>
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