A l ot to study and comprehend here Russ.... " I'll be back! "
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > The ripoff by Insurance companies and medical providers started WAY before > the ACA ... I am always amazed at what is billed for services!!! > > The last two plans my company has chosen really screwed me, with both my > allergist and urologist, I pay as if I have no coverage because it works > out cheaper!!! For the allergist, the will pay $15 for the shots, but not > cover the serum until the $7k deductible is met ... with insurance $575 for > serum, without ... $150 ... shots are $25 ... works out to be far cheaper > to go without insurance!!! > > I think the BIGGEST bullshit thing is the sliding scale of cost based on > coverage!!! > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 5:24 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> "They" aren't doing it. It was the DUMBASSES who passed Obamacare who >> allowed this whole 340B shit to become what it's become. 100% on your >> party, Pitt. That's just a fact. >> >> And your link from The Economist gets it ALL wrong. The program is open >> to any and every hospital in the country that can show that their patients >> include 12% of people living at or below the poverty line. That includes >> the vast majority of hospitals in America. >> >> Instead of paying $800 for a drug, the 340B pharmacies pay $300 for the >> drug, but still bill the insurance company or Medicare Part D plan as if >> they didn't and are fully reimbursed as if they did. So they get like $860 >> for that $800 drug, and the hospital they are contracted with keeps all but >> about $40 of it in most cases. >> >> And there was NO requirement that all of this extra profit be spent >> providing care for indigents, which was the sole intent of the original >> program until democrats turned it into such a joke. >> >> http://340breform.org/userfiles/May%202016%20AIR340B% >> 20Avalere%20Charity%20Care%20Study.pdf >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 2:59:54 PM UTC-5, Pittalum wrote: >>> >>> Yep, like banking, consolidation is especially pronounced in health care >>> - and especially among Providers. We all argue endlessly about insurance >>> but never, ever seem to talk about the real heart of the problem with >>> healthcare costs. Check this out, which I just found earlier today and >>> recommended to Pirate: >>> >>> http://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/why-is-healthcare-so-expensive >>> >>> I did look into the 340B program, and yea it looks like just another >>> attempt to rein in pharma costs, but is being abused by providers >>> (hospitals in this case) for more profit - causing those not able to take >>> advantage to whine. Here is what I found on it: >>> >>> http://healthcare-economist.com/2015/10/25/the-340b-program >>> -an-overview/ >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fhealthcare-economist.com%2F2015%2F10%2F25%2Fthe-340b-program-an-overview%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGRu_bvViT1CQkiNWgEhFQYUuBboQ> >>> >>> Far as I am concerned, the entire healthcare industry is just begging to >>> be nationalized. They need to stop what they're doing - but short term >>> greed is rampant among those people. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It's a HUGE problem in healthcare, and it only got worse with >>>> Obamacare. There were so many things done with that fucking law that have >>>> yet to be reported by the media it's incredible. One in particular >>>> sanctioned a huge shell game of billions of dollars whereby Medicare and >>>> the insurance companies are bilked and the profit is handed over to >>>> "non-profit" hospitals that are already making so much money they don't >>>> know what to do with it all. And there is no requirement whatsoever that >>>> the profits be used to provide care to the indigents - the very purpose of >>>> the program the democrats used to enable this massive theft. >>>> >>>> Research the 340B program and the changes that took effect immediately >>>> when Obamacare was signed into law and its implications sometime. It's >>>> unfuckingbelievable. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 2:19:19 PM UTC-5, Pittalum wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I can't say I disagree with anything you said below - even the hope >>>>> that Trump would be a little more *discriminating *in dealing with a >>>>> crisis and its causes. Hopefully, we won't need to find out. >>>>> >>>>> Industry consolidation is a problem all over our economy; banking is >>>>> merely especially bad. So much of all the things we argue about can, >>>>> honestly, be traced in large part to just that problem. It's the big >>>>> gorilla in the room that no one is talking about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Pitt! >>>>>> >>>>>> I think he has come to see that the big banks are still operating in >>>>>> the same dangerous way they were when they failed. And he also sees that >>>>>> between the big banks and Dodd Frank, they are decimating the smaller >>>>>> regional banks, and he aims to fix that. >>>>>> >>>>>> If it were me, I'd have let them fail and disbursed their assets >>>>>> among the smaller regional banks - and bought the toxic assets in the >>>>>> process. But what the big banks did should have been viewed as >>>>>> inexcusable. >>>>>> I realize that due to the morons in Congress and their failure to provide >>>>>> real oversight, that what the banks did wasn't illegal. But it was >>>>>> inexcusable. And they should have been wiped off the face of the planet >>>>>> in >>>>>> the process. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's hard to say what Trump would do if it were to happen again. But >>>>>> I think he is far more into "law and order" and punishing those who >>>>>> deserved to be punished than the establishment politicians who go along >>>>>> to >>>>>> get along with the wealthy donors of all stripes. And I think he'd be >>>>>> creative in finding ways to punish them if he couldn't do it using the >>>>>> law. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 1:20:44 PM UTC-5, Pittalum wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Perp! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am by no means into bank bailouts, and saying no to them is all >>>>>>> fine and good. But taking this position in no way shape or form >>>>>>> addresses >>>>>>> the serious systemic risk the failure of one of our big banks would >>>>>>> pose to >>>>>>> the entire banking system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wanna bet if, say, B of A or Citi is on the brink - we're gonna >>>>>>> see a *bailout *of some nature or degree, despite this EO? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 12:51:13 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/03/presi >>>>>>>> dential-executive-order-core-principles-regulating-united-states >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's about time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. 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