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On Jun 28, 2017 10:37 AM, "Keith In Tampa" <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've seen similar theories and calculations.....Believable! > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:10 AM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> *Kevin Gutzman: Trump said he won the popular vote in November -- if you >> subtracted the people who voted illegally. "Fake News!" responded the >> people who had dutifully relayed the lies Prof. Gruber said were calculated >> to exploit "the stupidity of the American voter." (Keep your doctor, keep >> your plan, save $2500/year.) Guess what. *June 22, 2017 >> >> *Up to 5.7 Million Noncitizens Voted in Past Presidential Elections, >> Study Finds *Fred Lucas >> >> As many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in the 2008 election and >> potentially more voted in 2016, according to a new study by Just Facts, a >> New Jersey-based research group, drawing on information from other studies. >> >> The study <http://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#electoral_2008>based >> on data compiled from Harvard University’s Cooperative Congressional >> Election Study, an analysis published in the journal Electoral Studies >> co-authored by Old Dominion University faculty, and Census dataalso >> provides some support for what then-President-elect Donald Trump tweeted in >> late November, when he asserted he won the popular vote if the fraudulent >> votes were deducted. The Just Facts study did not look specifically at 2016. >> >> [image: Emacs!] >> >> The study by Just Facts, which identifies >> <http://www.justfacts.com/aboutus.asp#serving> its point of view as >> conservative/libertarian, but says it maintains independent inquiry, >> determined as few as 594,000 and as many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted >> in 2008, in the race between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John >> McCain. Eighty-two percent of noncitizens who admitted to voting in a >> survey said “I definitely voted” for Obama. >> >> An estimate from 2012, which the study finds to have less complete data, >> is between 1 million and 3.6 million noncitizens registered to vote or >> voted, including both the “self declared” and the “database-matched” >> populations. >> >> Democrat Hillary Clinton won the popular vote over Trump by about 2.9 >> million votes <http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174> in 2016. >> >> Previously, an Old Dominion University professor’s analysis found that, >> extrapolating on a more extensive 2014 study, an estimated 800,000 >> noncitizens >> <http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/28/more-than-800000-noncitizens-could-have-voted-in-2016-election-experts-say/> >> voted in the 2016 electionfalling well short of enough to affect the >> popular vote. >> >> James Agresti, president of Just Facts, was cautious about stating >> whether this would have changed the result of the popular vote in the 2016 >> election. He concluded >> <http://www.justfactsdaily.com/substantial-numbers-of-non-citizens-vote-illegally-in-u-s-elections/> >> it is likely the number of noncitizen voters in the most recent >> presidential election was higher than eight years ago. >> >> When asked if noncitizen voters changed the popular vote outcome in 2016, >> he said, “There is a distinct possibility.” >> >> “The 3 million vote margin would be smack in the middle,” Agresti told >> The Daily Signal. “I don’t want to say it would. There are a lot of >> uncertainties. It’s possible.” >> >> There are two ways of looking at the noncitizen voting figures for 2012, >> Agresti said. Based on the Harvard and Census data, between 1 million and >> 2.6 million noncitizens voted under “self-declared.” However, there are >> between 1.2 million and 3.6 million “database-matched” noncitizens who >> voted that year. So the full range is 1 million to 3.6 million. Because of >> the overlapping information, Agresti is particularly cautious about drawing >> conclusions here. >> >> “Just Facts does not have all the data needed to calculate inclusive >> figures for the 2012 election, so these figures are undercounts,” Agresti >> said. >> >> Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation who >> has written extensively about voter fraud, was not very familiar with Just >> Facts, but he said if the findings were true, it lends more evidence to a >> growing problem. >> >> “This is just another indication of how serious the problem may be and >> why it is even more important to investigate the possibility of noncitizens >> voting,” von Spakovsky told The Daily Signal. >> >> In May, Trump named Vice President Mike Pence to chair the Presidential >> Advisory Commission on Election Integrity >> <http://dailysignal.com/2017/05/11/trump-establishes-panel-probe-voter-fraud/> >> . >> >> The difference between the Just Facts finding and the estimate from Old >> Dominion University research is likely because of a different methodology, >> said Jesse Richman, an associate professor of political science at Old >> Dominion University, who did the aforementioned study that arrived at >> 800,000 noncitizen votes in the 2016 election. >> >> “My impression is that the differences arise principally from the >> different assumptions we made about how to treat individuals for whom there >> was some ambiguity about whether they voted or not, e.g. individuals who >> said they didn’t vote but had a validated vote, etc.,” Richman told The >> Daily Signal in an email. “There are a variety of assumptioans one could >> make about how to treat those individuals, and my general impression is >> that this is the main thing driving the differences between our results.” >> >> Richman’s figure was based on the 2014 study he co-authored that looked >> at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. Richman applied the >> methodology from the study of those years to arrive at an estimated 800,000 >> noncitizen voters in 2016. >> >> http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/22/5-7-million-noncitizens-vo >> ted-past-presidential-elections-study-finds/ >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. 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