Yep. And unfortunately for them, they had Carter as the guy designating what that equipment would be...
On Nov 12, 11:12 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > frankg, > > Well, to quote for Sec, of Defense Rumsfeld "you go to war with the > Army & equipment you've got". > > On Nov 12, 11:13 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hollywood, > > > I agree that destroying the equipment is SOP and not something to be > > hung around Carter's neck if not executed properly. However, the > > dysfunctional state of the equipment which caused them to be left > > behind in the first place can be hung around Carter's neck and I > > believe that was the real issue being raised in the opening post. > > > On Nov 12, 11:45 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Phil, > > > > My stance still is that it was the responsibility of the on-site OIC > > > to make sure the equipment and any information of intelligence value > > > destroyed. As I stated, this is SOP, no special orders from above > > > would be needed. > > > I'm sorry, but confusion, dust, noise, dead and dying is the natural > > > and expected enviroment and conditions of any combat situation. > > > > On Nov 12, 10:29 am, Philobealo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The C-130 was evacuated and the order came to blow the aircraft and > > > > exfiltrate the country. > > > > However, in the dust and confusion the order never reached the people > > > > who would blow the aircraft. There were wounded and dying men to be > > > > taken care of and the aircraft had to be moved to avoid having the > > > > burning debris start another fire. Because of this failure to destroy > > > > the helicopters, the Americans left behind them 5 RH-53D intact and > > > > top secret plans fell into the hands of the Iranians the next day and > > > > the agents waiting in-country to help the Delta operators were almost > > > > captured.http://www.helis.com/featured/eagle_claw.php > > > > > On Nov 12, 10:02 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > Seriously doubt that. It's SOP in all military organizations to > > > > > destroy any equipment certain, or even highly likely, to fall into > > > > > unfriendly hands. IF that happened it's the fault of the OIC on-site. > > > > > Couple of WP grenades thrown into a chopper and it is fucking GONE. > > > > > > On Nov 12, 9:30 am, Philobealo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > During the Clinton years soldiers were training with wooden dummy > > > > > > rifles and the Carter years troops had to buy cleaning tools to > > > > > > maintain their equipment. Remember the attempted Iran hostage > > > > > > rescue? > > > > > > Due to cut backs the military had deficient equipment. > > > > > > > "The first helicopter was grounded and abandoned in the desert with > > > > > > equipment indicating a cracked rotor blade, and its crew picked up > > > > > > by > > > > > > another helicopter that continued the flight. The second helicopter > > > > > > abandoned the flight and returned to the Nimitz with reported > > > > > > erratic > > > > > > instrumentation blamed on the highly elevated temperatures inside > > > > > > the > > > > > > haboob. The third helicopter arrived at Desert One with a > > > > > > malfunctioning primary hydraulics system and insufficient confidence > > > > > > in the secondary (backup) hydraulics system to continue. The first > > > > > > and > > > > > > third helicopters, which were abandoned, now serve with the Iranian > > > > > > Navy." > > > > > > >http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE2DE1038F933A15756...- > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
