Actually, we are slaves to the State.

On Dec 3, 6:58�am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a lot of people haven't realized religion has nothing to do with
> marriage either . in fact getting married in church means nothing and
> you are not really married until the church files the papers with the
> state !
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> On Dec 3, 7:38�am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Most don't realize marriage is a contract until they divorce and
> > divide the assets. "What's Love Got to Do With It?"//Children are
> > born. Parents die. Weath shimmies.// The winners are lawyers.
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> > On Dec 3, 6:32 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > marrage is nothing more or less than a contract between two adults and
> > > the state .
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> > > On Dec 3, 6:49 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > It's hard enough to trust a straight man, mike. Who wants to be the
> > > > recipient of all his wild nights that are incipient STD's? The last
> > > > trustworthy male is a widower with decades of loyal marriage under his
> > > > belt. The complications, however, multiply. We are sexual creatures
> > > > from birth till death- nothing in Third World countries compares to
> > > > the treatment of mature women in the West. Tribes have a place for
> > > > them. We do not. Frankly, I can see the allure of children and youth
> > > > for old males. But I am not a male.
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> > > > On Dec 3, 5:07 am, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > what is that frightens you about two gay people getting married ?
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> > > > > On Dec 3, 5:45 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > > fyi: I voted for the Arkansas Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 and it 
> > > > > > passed.
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> > > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Liberal mike 532 <[EMAIL 
> > > > > > PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > 9 Ways to Halt the Right Wing Culture Wars and Bring Sanity to 
> > > > > > > Sexual
> > > > > > > Policy
> > > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/sex/109563/
> > > > > > > We have a unique opportunity to overturn the perverse agenda of 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Religious
> > > > > > > Right.
> > > > > > > The recent electoral victory of Barack Obama and the Democratic 
> > > > > > > party
> > > > > > > presents a unique opportunity to overturn the most perverse 
> > > > > > > policy of
> > > > > > > the Bush administration and the religious right, the conservative
> > > > > > > repressive sexual agenda. The following nine proposals can help 
> > > > > > > frame
> > > > > > > a new sexual agenda to be introduced in the first 100 days.
>
> > > > > > > For the last three decades the religious right fought a take-no-
> > > > > > > prisoners war over popular morality. Taking power with Bush's 
> > > > > > > victory
> > > > > > > in 2000, Christian conservatives were finally in the position to
> > > > > > > impose their beliefs as public policy. And they did so with a
> > > > > > > vengeance. At the local, state and federal levels, religious 
> > > > > > > zealots,
> > > > > > > working through the Republican party, took control of the 
> > > > > > > apparatus of
> > > > > > > the State and aggressively implemented a diverse set of programs 
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > further their goal of creating a morally upstanding, Christian
> > > > > > > society. Family life, sexual relations, education, scientific
> > > > > > > knowledge and popular entertainment became battlegrounds of
>
> > > > > > > the culture wars.
>
> > > > > > > The culture wars played a decisive role in the 2000 and 2004
> > > > > > > elections, but were eclipsed in the 2006 Congressional elections, 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > religious right's moral fervor spent. While sex issues were all 
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > absent from the 2008 national presidential campaign, they did help
> > > > > > > rally the conservative faithful at the state level. Efforts to 
> > > > > > > outlaw
> > > > > > > gay marriage were successful in Arizona (Proposition 102), 
> > > > > > > California
> > > > > > > (Proposition 8)and Florida (Marriage Protection Amendment) as was
> > > > > > > Arkansas' Proposed Initiative Act No. 1 that prohibits co-habiting
> > > > > > > couples of the same sex, whether gay or straight, from either 
> > > > > > > adopting
> > > > > > > a child or serving as foster parents.
>
> > > > > > > Nevertheless, efforts in Colorado (Amendment 45) and South Dakota
> > > > > > > (Initiated Measure 11) to, respectively, establish "fetal 
> > > > > > > personhood"
> > > > > > > and ban abortion failed. And in Washington, voters approved a
> > > > > > > proposition permitting physician-assisted suicide similar to one
> > > > > > > already in force in Oregon. In 2008, it was the collapsing 
> > > > > > > economy,
> > > > > > > failed Bush policies and culture-war fatigue as well as Obama's 
> > > > > > > broad
> > > > > > > popular appeal that turned the tide for the Democrats.
>
> > > > > > > The Democratic landslide provides a unique opportunity for 
> > > > > > > Congress
> > > > > > > and the President-elect to quickly address at least one of the 
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > profound failings of the Bush administration, its repressive sex
> > > > > > > policies. The following proposals can help frame the upcoming 
> > > > > > > battle
> > > > > > > for political reform and, hopefully, finally put an end to the
> > > > > > > religious right's culture wars.
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