the idea is to try and stop the bush pardons for those who authorized the wire tapping of Americans and the torture of prisoners in violation of our civil rights . the last eight years have given us the most corrupt administration in our nations history and they should be held accountable for it ! On Dec 26, 2:32 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > Failure to be able to prosecute someone does not mean their isn't > guilt. Crime bosses go entire lives without being prosecuted. All it > means is they are very good at covering their tracks and lining up > fall guys. > > I didn't mean for this to turn into an attack on Clinton. I was only > pointing out your hypocrisy. Here you are, leaping into action over > pardons that haven't happened, all the while dismissing the Clinton > pardons as fully on the up and up. You HAVE to be wearing dark blue > glasses to not see the hypocrisy in that. > > On Dec 26, 2:19 pm, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > there has been eighteen years of republicans trying to pin something > > on Clinton and this charge is part of that swift boat attack on > > Clinton . there has never been one scrap of evidence showing there was > > anything illegal about the mark pardon . > > which is what lowercase mark claimed ! > > On Dec 26, 2:06 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > The problem here is you demand '2x4 to the head' evidence of any wrong > > > doing by Clinton or any Democrat while you'll accept anything and > > > everything as evidence of wrong doing by Bush or any Republican. You > > > are incapable of fair and honest debate because you see everything > > > thru dark blue glasses. > > > > So Clinton issues 140 last minute pardon’s, including Marc Rich, 14 > > > members of the FALN and Susan McDougal, who served time for refusing > > > to testify in the White Water investigation. At best these, and many > > > others, are very suspicious pardons but more likely, many should have > > > been flat out illegal. But you’ll defend Clinton to the end. Exactly > > > what was his motivation to pardon Rich if not a financial payoff? > > > Considering the evidence, if Clinton was a Republican, you’d have > > > already convicted and hung him. But he’s Clinton and he’s a Democrat > > > so you demand more evidence while insisting he’s as clean as virgin > > > snow. > > > > Meanwhile, you’ve jumped into action on Bush pardon’s that haven’t > > > even happened yet. Pardon’s for crimes that haven’t even come to light > > > yet. But oh, you know people will talk after Jan 20, when they don’t > > > have to worry about dying a suspicious death like the 34+ people tied > > > to Clinton who perished under suspicious circumstances. > > > > I applaud your loyalty to your party and your dogged determination to > > > prosecute criminal activity, but I cringe at your bias. If you truly > > > wanted to be the champion for justice and legal conduct you’d change > > > out those blue glasses for clear ones. Till then, all you’re doing is > > > pouring gas on the partisan bickering that is keeping the country in > > > political gridlock. > > > > On Dec 26, 10:26 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > bush must pay for his crimes weather you like it or not sparky . if he > > > > is allowed to walk away free we will have to deal with another want to > > > > be dictator later . > > > > > On Dec 26, 9:20 am, OMS-II <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > sunshine you can stick your attitude up your silly ass if you don't > > > > > agree that bush should pay for his crimes don't sign the petition . i > > > > > for one believe in justice for all and have already signed the > > > > > petition . > > > > > =============================== > > > > > Crimes? I know many Dem lawyers. The main reason Bush hasn't been > > > > > brought up on charges is lack of criminal offenses. As I said, cram > > > > > your petitiion up your ass. It has nothing to do with justice....and > > > > > everything to do with revenge. > > > > > > I will wait until January. We will have a new POTUS...and a new > > > > > congress....and Bush will slink away knowning he has been about the > > > > > worst president this country has seen. That is revenge enough for > > > > > me.You're petty and shrill, mike. You are part of what's wrong with > > > > > the Democratic party. > > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:38 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > sunshine you can stick your attitude up your silly ass if you don't > > > > > > agree that bush should pay for his crimes don't sign the petition . > > > > > > i > > > > > > for one believe in justice for all and have already signed the > > > > > > petition . > > > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:33 am, OMS-II <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich > > > > > > > > In 1983 Rich and partner Pincus Green were indicted by U.S. > > > > > > > Attorney > > > > > > > and future mayor of New York City Rudolph Giuliani, on charges of > > > > > > > tax > > > > > > > evasion and illegal trading with Iran. They were indicted while > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > were in Switzerland. The pair failed to return to the U.S. > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > the indictment, and were on the FBI's Most Wanted List for many > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > In 1989, the United States Justice Department has since rejected > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > use of RICO statutes in tax cases like the one in which Rich and > > > > > > > Green > > > > > > > were indicted,and instead sued civilly by the government.[6] > > > > > > > > On January 20, 2001, hours before leaving office, President Bill > > > > > > > Clinton granted Rich a presidential pardon. Since Rich's wife and > > > > > > > mother of his three children, socialite Denise Eisenberg Rich, had > > > > > > > made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton > > > > > > > Library > > > > > > > during Clinton's time in office, Clinton's critics alleged that > > > > > > > Rich's > > > > > > > pardon had been bought. Rich had also made substantial donations > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Israeli charitable foundations. Clinton explained his decision by > > > > > > > noting that similar situations were settled in civil, not criminal > > > > > > > court, and cited clemency pleas from Israeli government officials, > > > > > > > including Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Federal Prosecutor Mary Jo > > > > > > > White > > > > > > > was appointed to investigate. She stepped down before the > > > > > > > investigation was finished and was replaced by James Comey. Comey > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > critical of Clinton's pardons and Eric Holder's pardon > > > > > > > recommendation. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > > His wife made substantial donations to the Democratic Party and to > > > > > > > several Israeli charities. Miraculously, Mike, Clinton then > > > > > > > pardoned > > > > > > > him, after pleas fo clemency from Israel. > > > > > > > > Now....you can say this is all circumstantial.....but that would > > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > you to be a hack incapable of honestly discussing any topic of a > > > > > > > political nature. > > > > > > > > Presidents have always pardoned people....people who many would > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > to see remain in jail. > > > > > > > > Take your stupid petition and cram it. This is getting downright > > > > > > > petty. > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:45 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > no you stupid fuck ! you made the claim now post the fucking > > > > > > > > proof . > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:39 am, Ohio mark <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > look it up asshole, it has been common knowledge for years. > > > > > > > > > what a > > > > > > > > > dipshit. > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:37 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > same goes for you travis post the proof that the president > > > > > > > > > > got paid > > > > > > > > > > for any pardons . > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:32 am, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And the Puerto Ricans to get hillfullofshit PR votes in > > > > > > > > > > > NY. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Ohio mark > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehow I knew this was coming from you murky. same > > > > > > > > > > > > old same old. > > > > > > > > > > > > does the name mark rich mean anything to you? look it > > > > > > > > > > > > up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:27 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > please post any proof you have that President Clinton > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sold " any > > > > > > > > > > > > > pardons ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 7:20 am, Ohio mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the President right to pardon anyone he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chooses. clinton sold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his pardons and I am sure you libbers had no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem with that. get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over it murky, you do not like it, too bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 6:51 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehow bush and wise don't seem proper in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same sentence . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 5:48 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think Bush was wise to pardon a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convicted supporter of > > > > > > > > > > > > Israel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who went to prison for 18 months and died an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > American criminal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 25, 4:42 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak Out Against The Planned Bush Blanket > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardons BEFORE They > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pay no attention to the handful of Christmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pardons granted by > > > > > > > > > > > > Bush. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is mere political window dressing to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distract from the > > > > > > > > > > > > bumper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crop of blanket absolutions, including one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for himself, scheduled > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be released just before midnight on Jan 19th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheney would not so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogantly be bragging on > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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