America and Israel have a great deal in common, and may well be linked
in some kind of ironic and cosmic morality play of existential
theater, with time to still be played out:

Both were founded by escaping from more powerful empires ---- and both
have become closer, through the modern perversion of their
governments, to the empires they escaped than they would like to
admit.

Average working-class Americans, and average working-class Israelis,
need to recognize the global ruling-elite "corporate financial Empire"
they are both caught up in, they need to foreswear empire, they need
to revolt against empire, and they need to excise the metastasizing
cancer of global ruling-elite empire from this world for their own
sakes and for the sake of all others sharing this fragile world.

Alan M

Maine, USA

5 January 2008
On Jan 22, 10:15 pm, "liberal mike532  !" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> i am wondering if JGG will be man enough to admit he was wrong or
> not .
> either way i will leave you with this thought war crimes are as the
> name implies crimes and no mater who commits them they should be
> punished weather you agree with their political position or not . to
> do anything less lowers man kind to level of savages !
> On Jan 22, 4:51 am, "liberal mike532  !" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >  " Jerusalem - Israel has admitted - after mounting pressure - that
> > its troops may have used white phosphorus shells in contravention of
> > international law, during its three-week offensive in the Gaza
> > Strip."http://www.truthout.org/012109D
> > Israel Admits Troops  Used Phosphorus Shells in Gaza
>
> >     Amnesty warns Israel  guilty of war crimes.
>
> >     Jerusalem - Israel has admitted - after mounting pressure - that
> > its troops  used white phosphorus shells in contravention of
> > international law, during its three-week offensive in the Gaza Strip.
>
> >     One of the places most seriously affected by the use of white
> > phosphorus was the main UN compound in Gaza City, which was hit by
> > three shells on 15 January. The same munition was used in a strike on
> > the al-Quds hospital in Gaza City the same day.
>
> >     Under review by Colonel Shai Alkalai is the use of white
> > phosphorus by a reserve paratroop brigade in northern Israel.
>
> >     According to army sources the brigade fired up to 20 phosphorus
> > shells in a heavily built-up area around the Gaza township of Beit
> > Lahiya, one of the worst hit areas of Gaza.
>
> >     The internal inquiry - which the army says does not have the
> > status of the full investigation demanded by human rights groups
> > including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch - follows weeks
> > of fighting in which Israel either denied outright that it was using
> > phosphorus-based weapons, or insisted that what weapons it was using
> > "were in line with international law".
>
> >     Dr Ahmed Almi from the al-Nasser hospital in Khan Yunis describes
> > serious injuries and chemical burns, with victims covered in a white
> > powder that continues to burn long after initial exposure Link to this
> > video
>
> >     Phosphorus is a toxic chemical agent that burns on contact with
> > air and creates thick white smokes in order to hide troop movements.
> > However phosphorus shells are largely indiscriminate scattering large
> > numbers of fragments over a large area, which can cause severe damage
> > to both human tissue and property.
>
> >     As the Guardian reported yesterday, Palestinian doctors have
> > reported treating dozens of cases of suspected phosphorus burns.
>
> >     According to senior IDF officers, quoted today in the Ha'aretz
> > newspaper, the Israeli military made use of two different types of
> > phosphorus munitions.
>
> >     The first, they insisted, was contained in 155mm artillery shells,
> > and contained "almost no phosphorus" except for a trace to ignite the
> > smoke screen.
>
> >     The second munitions, at the centre of the inquiry by Col Alkalai,
> > are standard phosphorus shells - both 88mm and 120mm - fired from
> > mortars.
>
> >     About 200 of these shells were fired during Israel's Operation
> > Cast Lead in Gaza, and of these - say the IDF - 180 were fired on
> > Hamas fighters and rocket launch crews in northern Gaza.
>
> >     Alkalai is investigating the circumstances in which the remaining
> > 20 shells were fired, amid compelling evidence on the ground that
> > phosphorus munitions were involved in the attack on a UN warehouse and
> > a UN school.
>
> >     The mortar system is guided by GPS and according to Israel a
> > failure of the targeting system may have been responsible for civilian
> > deaths. However, critics point out the same explanation was used for
> > mis-targeting deaths in Beit Hanoun in Gaza in 2006.
> >     The use of phosphorus as an incendiary weapon as it now appears to
> > have been used against Hamas fighters - as opposed to a smoke screen -
> > is covered by the Convention of Certain Conventional Weapons to which
> > Israel in not a signatory.
>
> >     However, Israel also is obliged under the Geneva Conventions and
> > customary international humanitarian law to give due care to
> > protecting the civilian population when deciding on appropriate
> > military targeting and response to hostile fire, particularly in
> > heavily built up areas with a strict prohibition on the use of
> > indiscriminate force.
>
> >     "They obviously could not have gone on denying the use of
> > phosphorus," Donatella Rovera, Amnesty researcher for Israel and the
> > Occupied Territories, told the Guardian yesterday. "There are still
> > phosphorus wedges burning all over Gaza including at the UN compound
> > and at the school.
>
> >     "It is clear they are not using it as smoke screen as they
> > claimed. They used it in areas where they had no forces, and there are
> > much less problematic smoke screens that they could have used."
>
> >     Amnesty on Monday warned that Israel could be guilty of war
> > crimes, saying the use of the shells in a civilian areas was "clear
> > and undeniable".
>
> >     Rovera demanded too that Israel produce clear evidence that there
> > were fighters in the areas it says its troops were fired upon when the
> > phosphorus munitions were fired.
>
> >     The admission that the shells had been used improperly follows
> > yesterday's demand by the UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon for an
> > investigation into the targeting of UN facilities - including by
> > phosphorus weapons.
>
> >     It also follows the decision by the IDF to protect the names of
> > battalion and brigade commanders who participated in Operation Cast
> > Lead.
>
> >     According to Israel Army Radio on Wednesday the decision - ordered
> > by defence minister Ehud Barak - was made in anticipation that war
> > crimes charges will be filed against IDF officers, who could face
> > prosecution when they travel overseas.
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