And since there is no proof, there is a legitimate controversy. One that needs to be quelled, one way or another......
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Obama will not authorize the release of the unabridged certificate under > HRS 303. therefore there is no proof. > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The dept of vital records >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From*: Mark >> *Date*: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:52:48 -0600 >> *To*: <[email protected]> >> >> *Subject*: Re: [apfn-1] 1981 Pakistan-Indonesia Trips Key to Obama >> Eligibility? >> >> There is no proof of that. >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Maryam <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> *He is a natural born citizen. His father is not. * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Thanks, * >>> >>> *~M* >>> >>> *www.problemfixed.info* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:58 PM >>> *To:* [email protected]; >>> [email protected]; Southern by the Grace of God; >>> [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [apfn-1] 1981 Pakistan-Indonesia Trips Key to Obama >>> Eligibility? >>> >>> >>> Well Is He, or Isn’t He? >>> >>> Paul >>> Hollrah<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/authors/id.62/author_detail.asp> >>> >>> It is a popular topic of discussion in political circles these days, and >>> as the weeks pass more and more people are asking, “Is Barack Obama really a >>> natural born citizen of the United States? Is he eligible to serve as >>> President, or isn’t he?” If he is, then so be it. We’ll just have to grit >>> our teeth until this long dark nightmare comes to an end… one way or >>> another. >>> >>> But what if he is not eligible? What then? Well, in that case we have a >>> problem… a very large problem, the solution to which could tear asunder the >>> fabric of American society. >>> >>> Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states that, “No person >>> except a natural born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President; >>> neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have >>> attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident >>> within the United States.” >>> >>> That’s pretty straightforward, yet, when confronted with the possibility >>> that the man who sits in the Oval Office may be a usurper, a great many >>> otherwise patriotic Americans can be heard to say, “What difference does it >>> make? The election’s over; the people have spoken. Get over it!” >>> >>> Well, it’s not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be >>> satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To >>> postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that >>> Obama is not eligible to serve as president would be disastrous. Every new >>> law and every executive order he had signed, every political appointment, >>> every judicial appointment, every order he had given to the military, and >>> every act and every decision of all of his appointees would immediately >>> become null and void. How could we ever undo all of that? >>> >>> The American people would quickly learn that it is not much easier to >>> undo two or three years of history than it is to undo a decade or a century. >>> It is imperative that we get to the bottom of this mystery as quickly as >>> possible so that all Americans, regardless of party affiliation, can finally >>> accept that, like it or not, Barack Obama is our president. In order to do >>> that, and to force Obama to end his stubborn refusal to produce his birth >>> certificate, his passports, his >>> visas<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>, >>> and his college records, we must continue to recruit more and more Americans >>> to insist that he do so. >>> >>> To do that, it is not necessary to prove that he was born in >>> Kenya<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>, >>> not in >>> Hawaii<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>… >>> as his paternal grandmother, a Kenyan half-brother, and a Kenyan half-sister >>> insist… or who his natural father may have been. The proof of Obama’s >>> failure to meet the “natural born citizen” standard is much simpler than >>> that. >>> >>> To convert a non-believer… one who insists that the Constitutional >>> requirements must be met, but who believes that questions about Obama’s >>> citizenship<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>status >>> are nothing more than sour grapes… it is only necessary to establish >>> the facts surrounding Obama’s >>> travel<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>to >>> Indonesia and Pakistan in the summer of 1981. >>> >>> Although Obama fails to mention that trip in either of his memoirs… not >>> in *Dreams from My Father* and not in *The Audacity of Hope*… he made a >>> potentially fatal error when he mentioned the Pakistan trip during an April >>> 6, 2008 speech in San Francisco… the same speech in which he referred to >>> rural Pennsylvanians as “bitter” people who “cling to guns or religion…” In >>> that speech, Obama explained in an offhand manner the value of that trip, >>> vis-à-vis his knowledge of foreign affairs, saying, “I knew what Sunni and >>> Shia was (sic) before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.” >>> >>> When questioned about that trip, Obama’s campaign press secretary, Bill >>> Burton, confirmed to the *New >>> York<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>Times >>> *, and others, that Obama had visited Pakistan in 1981 on his return >>> from Indonesia, traveling there with a Pakistani friend from Occidental >>> College, Wahid Hamid. According to Burton, Obama stayed in Karachi with the >>> family of another Pakistani friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo. Obama has never >>> mentioned the Pakistan trip again. >>> >>> So it is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan >>> in 1981. What is not established, and what is critically important, is what >>> passport he used during that trip. There are only three possibilities: Obama >>> could have traveled under a U.S. passport… a passport first issued when he >>> and his mother moved from Hawaii to Indonesia in 1967; he could have >>> traveled under an Indonesian passport, issued following his adoption by his >>> Indonesian stepfather; and it is conceivable that, if he was, in fact, born >>> in Kenya in 1961, he could still have been a British subject, traveling with >>> a British passport. So which is it? >>> >>> Unfortunately for Obama, in the present circumstance, Pakistan was under >>> martial law in 1981 and certain undesirables… Christians, Jews, and >>> Americans… were prohibited from entering the country. Pakistan was on the >>> U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list, making a U.S. passport no more >>> valuable than an empty chewing gum wrapper at the Karachi Port of Entry. >>> >>> So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, >>> without the price of a hotel >>> room<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>in >>> his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip >>> just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, >>> Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through >>> Customs and >>> Immigration<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp>? >>> The >>> American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they >>> *must* have answers. >>> >>> It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple >>> one. >>> >>> Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? >>> >>> A: >>> Yes, by his own admission. >>> >>> Q: What passport did he travel >>> under? >>> A: There are only three >>> possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport, 2) He traveled with a >>> British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport. >>> >>> Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in >>> 1981? A: No. It is not >>> possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in >>> 1981. >>> >>> Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either >>> with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. >>> >>> If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that >>> he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if >>> he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that >>> he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, >>> prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. >>> >>> Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he >>> managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008. >>> Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his >>> speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to >>> Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. >>> >>> Is he a “natural born” citizen, or isn’t he? It seems pretty clear from >>> the available evidence that he is not. If that proves to be the case he >>> should minimize the damage to the country and follow the Nixon example; he >>> should simply resign from office so that we can begin to clean up the mess >>> he leaves behind. >>> >>> *FamilySecurityMatters.org <http://familysecuritymatters.org/>Contributing >>> Editor Paul Hollrah is a Senior Fellow at the >>> Lincoln<http://familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2014/pub_detail.asp>Heritage >>> Institute. >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/3/19 <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2700/pub_detail.asp >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> >>> Messages in this topic >>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/message/140829;_ylc=X3oDMTM4bzRhc2tvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzE0MDgyOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzc0OTUyMTcEdHBjSWQDMTQwODI5> >>> (*1*) *Reply *(via web post) >>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZmYxY2RuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BG1zZ0lkAzE0MDgyOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMzc0OTUyMTc-?act=reply&messageNum=140829>| >>> *Start a new topic >>> *<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMzkwcmo0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIzNzQ5NTIxNw--> >>> >>> Messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJldWphMmNhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzgzMTg5NjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMzc1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTIzNzQ5NTIxNg--> >>> >>> APFN-1 YahooGroups: >>> Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apfn-1/join >>> >>> APFN MSG BOARD: >>> `In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary >>> act.' >>> http://disc.yourwebapps.com/Indices/149495.html >>> >>> APFN LIVE TV 24/7 >>> http://www.apfn.org/tv.htm >>> >>> APFN MASTER AUDIO / VIDEO LIST: >>> http://www.apfn.net/videos.asp >>> >>> "RADIO YOUR WAY" APFN POGO NETWORK (( WOW!! )) >>> "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of >>> good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson >>> http://www.apfn.net/POGO.HTM >>> >>> Find elected officials, including the president, members of >>> Congress, governors, state legislators, local officials, and more. >>> http://congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials/ >>> >>> APFN - SUPPORT / DONATIONS >>> PMB 206, 7549 W. 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