Already told you but you don't understand evidently. Calling something a surplus does not make it a surplus. I could say that Bush left Obama a surplus and keep saying it but that does not make it so. The same with Clinton.
VT VirtualTruth wrote: > Opinion, how about? a rebuttal based on fact > and truth > > Clinton left Bush a surplus. Bush left Obama > a record Deficit. > > On Apr 16, 4:22 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It was false.Like everything else Clinton. >> >> On Apr 16, 3:12 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> >> wrote:>http://zfacts.com/p/318.html >> >> >>> So tell me again how Clinton did not leave Bush a Surplus. >>> >>> On Apr 16, 4:04 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Jan 20 - Bush inaugurated. By March 20 the Democrats were calling the >>>> Bush deficit. Between Jan 20 and March 20 Bush did not change any >>>> spending at all from the Clinton budget nor did he even have his cabinet >>>> in place. The Democrats in the Senate (remember they controlled the >>>> Senate because of Sen Jefford of Vermont) were dragging their heels in >>>> approving the cabinet. How can you go from a surplus to a deficit >>>> without changing the spending defined by the budget unless you really >>>> had a deficit to begin with. Later we found that the recession had >>>> started with the bursting of the IT bubble but the Clinton accountants >>>> had not taken that into account when they did the math. Ergo there was >>>> no surplus to begin with. >>>> >>>> VT VirtualTruth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dick for the record explain how Bush did not inherit a surplus? >>>>> >>>>> Also dick could you explain the three other recessions >>>>> of the Bush Administration? Each worst than the one before it >>>>> as reflected by ever lower DJIA lows hit by each recession. >>>>> >>>>> Also Dick The minor Recession Bush inherited was limited to >>>>> the NASDAQ economy and NOT the DJIA economy as noted >>>>> by the fact the DJIA barely fell. >>>>> >>>>> The announcement from the National Bureau of Economic Research's >>>>> Business Cycle Dating Committee confirmed what many economists have >>>>> believed: that the economy has resumed growing, albeit slowly. >>>>> >>>>> "At its meeting, the committee determined that a trough in business >>>>> activity occurred in the U.S. economy in November 2001," the committee >>>>> said in a statement Thursday. >>>>> >>>>> The committee, which consists of top academic economists, met in >>>>> Cambridge, Mass., to discuss the issue. >>>>> >>>>> The 2001 recession began in March that year, so today's announcement >>>>> makes it an eight-month downturn. >>>>> >>>>> The committee said the length of the downturn was "slightly less than >>>>> average for recessions" in the post World War II period. >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 16, 3:42 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gotta love the leftist clowns. They keep talking about the Clinton >>>>>> surplus but they blamed Bush for the recession in 2 months when he had >>>>>> not changed any Clinton budgetary spending at all. The fact is that the >>>>>> surplus never existed except in the minds of the Enron-like accountants >>>>>> who worked for Clinton. Bush was given a deficit and a recession to >>>>>> start with and the recession had been going on for 3 quarters. >>>>>> >>>>>> Keith In Tampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Except for the current Administration who within less than 90 days, >>>>>>> has expanded the federal bureauacracy ten fold, and increased the size >>>>>>> of the budget larger than all budgets combined in our entire 230 year >>>>>>> history. President Obama makes George Bush look like a fiscal >>>>>>> conservative, and we all know that he wasn't. The point being, is >>>>>>> that your comparison is moot. America made a mistake, and it is time >>>>>>> to limit the damage now Sean!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM, VT VirtualTruth >>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds great but we all have seen what REALLY happens when Republicans >>>>>>> have no one to challenge their fiscal actions or policies. They >>>>>>> doubled the Debt >>>>>>> took a budget surplus and turned it into a record deficit and grew >>>>>>> government >>>>>>> faster than any other Administration in history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 3:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What point does this make? That Clinton was a Tax & Spend >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Democrat, wherein >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a Republican Congress and their "Contract With America" held his >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> feet to the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fire? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nothing in this audio report disputes the facts that I submitted >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> earlier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have Newt Gingrich, and a Republican controlled Congress >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> that was >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> responsible for a budgetary surplus, period. Clinton had >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> literally nothing >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to do with the surplus, and if it were not for a Republican >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> controlled >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fiscally conservative Congress, who Clinton successfully fought >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> over and >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> vetoed their balanced budget Amendments, we would have had deficit >>>>>>>> spending!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:08 PM, VT VirtualTruth >>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will let the actual news reports of November 11, 1995 >>>>>>>>> make my point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6KRnWkh45U&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcrooksan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6KRnWkh45U&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcrooksan.>.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clinton invested in the future US economy and the result was >>>>>>>>> robust GDP growth that grew the economy out of deficits. >>>>>>>>> Republicans consider this incorrectly as wasted money. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bush decided to give the surplus away as tax cuts to >>>>>>>>> the rich with the ridiculous idea that the money would >>>>>>>>> bleed down to others. The result was Bush starved the >>>>>>>>> country of much needed future investments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Obama now must maintain the normal amout of forward >>>>>>>>> investment in the country's future AND make up for the >>>>>>>>> 8 years Bush starved the economy of stimulus investment >>>>>>>>> capital. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2:01 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Sean!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good to see ya!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for sharing your homoerotic far left extremist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> talking points >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the group! I know that members such as Fritzie, Biffie, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cosmo-ie and >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> far left extremists are proud of you for picking up on and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> mimicking the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> likes of that gal who is the husband and splashes diesel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> behind her ears >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> perfume....Whuz-Her-Name....Rachael Maddow, and the other >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> crazed, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> demented >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Moonbat, Keithie Olberman, but I digress. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's review your premise, and I quote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "That the Republican Congress was NOT the reason for this >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> balanced >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> budget (during >>>>>>>>>> the Clinton Administration). That Clinton stood up to the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rhino's (Rhino >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> being a derogatory term for Republican)" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ===== >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sean, let us actually review the facts, and not revisionist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> history. Of >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> course, all of the data I have attached here can be >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> documented. Please >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> free to ask questions if there is anything that you get >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> confused on or >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> frustrated over not comprehending: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is true, that the federal budget deficit tumbled from >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> $255 billion in >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1993 to approximately $117 billion in 1996, and that by >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1999, there was >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> actual surplus versus a deficit in our national budget. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In February 1993 President Clinton announced his new >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Administration's >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> economic program: a $16-billion "fiscal stimulus." The >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> spending package >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> later abandoned by the Democratic Congress as too fiscally >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> irresponsible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In February 1993 President Clinton wins passage of his >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> $250-billion tax >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hike; which New York Senator Pat Moynihan accurately >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> describes as "the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> largest tax increase in world history." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.archive.org/stream/proposedconstitu00unit/proposedconstitu... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, President Clinton's "Tax and Spend" policy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> passes the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Democrat >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Controlled Congress, without a single Republican vote. The >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> package >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> contains >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> approximately $2 of new spending for every $1 of new taxes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In September 1993 the Clinton White House lobbies to defeat the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bi-partisan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Penny - Kasich deficit-reduction bill, which would have cut >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> federal >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> spending >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and the deficit by $90 billion over five years. The Clinton >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> White House >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the Democrat controlled Congress prevailed, and the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Penny-Kasich Deficit >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reduction Bill was defeated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.archive.org/details/pennykasichamend00unit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In January 1994 Bill and Hillary Clinton unveil >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> "ClintonCare." The >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> proposed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hostile federal takeover of one-seventh of the U.S. economy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> would add at >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> least $700 billion to the deficit over the next six years, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> according to >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Congressional Budget Office (CBO). >>>>>>>>>> >>> ... >>> >>> read more - Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
