Sage, As far as this issue goes, I'm not asserting that Obama will never be kicked out of office for being there illegally (although I'd bet on it!). So let's say that eventually happens. Guess what? UNTIL it happens, every order he issues is a lawful standing order. And as those who for obvious reasons, have never served and yet, love to spew their stupidity are unaware, American servicemen and women ARE government property. Legally. We had a petty officer get a tattoo on his forehead (he was drunk). At Captain's Mast (minor trial), he was found guilty of "defacing GOVERNMENT PROPERTY". That's what you sign up for. Which means that until Obama is found guilty of something in a court of law, his orders are lawful. And here's the kicker: After that, they are STILL lawful unless modified by a new CIC.
On Jul 16, 11:01 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > Obama and his entourage are being a divisive > cancer to the defense of the country by refusing to present a legal > document to prove where he was born. Seems to me if he put up everyone > would shut up. > There is a long list of papers & writings that have been hidden by > them as it relates to Hussein ( the socialist ) Obama. > > ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > On Jul 16, 1:45 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >His refusal is not based on rumor.... it is based on an absolute lack > > > of proven fact. > > > I don't think that would stand up at a military trial. Regardless of > > his or my doubts about Obama's origins, the court would probably find > > that he cannot disobey orders based on something unproven. > > > On Jul 16, 12:40 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > His refusal is not based on rumor.... it is based on an absolute lack > > > of proven fact. He swore to defend the constitution and based on that > > > to follow lawful orders... those were the terms of his employment with > > > the Army, Aren't the requirements for POTUS/CIC written in black and > > > white in that document ?? Or is it that you have no use for the > > > constitution ?? > > > > If I walk up to him wearing a generals or colenels uniform and give > > > him an order should he follow that order when he knows or truly thinks > > > I am not a real general ?? > > > > On Jul 16, 9:43 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why is it that you libbies get such delight in the government ruining > > > > peoples lives for political purposes? This guy clearly had no standing > > > > to refuse orders as he cannot claim, based on unsubstantiated rumors, > > > > that the commander in chief is a fraud. He should be treated as a > > > > soldier refusing orders. Not have someone get him fired. > > > > > On Jul 15, 9:52 pm, Frederick The Moderate > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > db you're laughable. Every soldier is required to obey an order from > > > > > their superior officer and I guarantee that someone between Obama and > > > > > this guy, ordered him to go. But that's okay, they had this guy's > > > > > sentence figured the moment he filed. Instead of going through all the > > > > > legal bs, they just revoked his security clearance. Guess what kind of > > > > > company he works for? Defense contractor. Makes pretty good money too! > > > > > Well, he used to, anyway. Hope his lawyer got paid in advance... > > > > > > Funny thing though. When that soldier refused to go to Iraq in 2006 > > > > > because the WPA made clear that Bush's war was illegal, all the > > > > > Conservatives and GOP called him a traitor and touted how a soldiers > > > > > duty should never be interefered with by politics and Rush Limbaugh > > > > > brought up the point that, if that were allowed, half our armed forces > > > > > could refuse to fight at any given moment etc... Funny how their > > > > > opinion of a soldiers' duty has changed (rather hypocritically) now > > > > > that the politics are on the other foot... > > > > > > On Jul 15, 7:35 am, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not talking about the courts, but the military. By "revoking" a > > > > > > standing order without explanation or qualification can only mean > > > > > > one > > > > > > thing: the order was unlawful. And since the standing order was > > > > > > issued > > > > > > by the POTUS, the POTUS must be deemed unlawful, therefore defacto. > > > > > > > Regarding the Constitution, there is no provision for enforcing the > > > > > > "natural born citizen" rule as it pertains to the president - as a > > > > > > Pennsylvania district court previously pointed out, paraphrasing; > > > > > > "Take the remedy up with the legislative." > > > > > > > More importantly, no US court has entertained the material facts in > > > > > > this/these cases, citing instead the plaintiff's lack of "standing." > > > > > > > The military certainly has "standing," although they're now beyond > > > > > > the > > > > > > court's jurisdiction. The military may, at their discretion, > > > > > > challenge > > > > > > the Commander-in-Chief via an emergency hearing in front of the > > > > > > Supreme Court. Or not, since there is no civilian law on the books > > > > > > to > > > > > > challenge the CIC's citizenship. But there is the lawful > > > > > > requirement. > > > > > > > The civilian courts may choose ignore, potentially inviting a lawful > > > > > > military takeover. The military may also choose to ignore the > > > > > > underlying factor of the revocation, and risk an avalanche of > > > > > > additional challenges. Or, speaking plainly, use the revocation to > > > > > > run > > > > > > Obama out of office because he's not a citizen as required by the > > > > > > Constitution. > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 9:41 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > d.b. > > > > > > > > Don't be so fast. We all know the requirements for running for > > > > > > > POTUS, > > > > > > > I have a copy of the Constituion on my desk. But who knows for > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > what agency has the responsibility to CONFIRM one's basic > > > > > > > qualifications? Is it the FEC? When I got my passport I had to > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > proof of my citizenship to a specific authority and no one else. > > > > > > > Sure > > > > > > > as hell did not have to provide proof to the media or anyone else. > > > > > > > The President has a Passport, social security card, driver's > > > > > > > license, > > > > > > > etc. How did he get those? > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:15 am, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: the US Military is now required to stand down. Or > > > > > > > > request > > > > > > > > orders directly and exclusively from the Joint Chiefs - all > > > > > > > > civilian > > > > > > > > appointees are out. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:37 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > d.b, > > > > > > > > > > The Major's reasoning is sound. Under the UCMJ folowiing the > > > > > > > > > orders of > > > > > > > > > a superior officer who who was not legally entitled to hold > > > > > > > > > his rank/ > > > > > > > > > office would be illegal. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 7:27 am, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [Q] - A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to > > > > > > > > > > report for > > > > > > > > > > deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military > > > > > > > > > > orders > > > > > > > > > > revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve > > > > > > > > > > under a > > > > > > > > > > president who has not proven his eligibility for office. > > > > > > > > > > > His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has > > > > > > > > > > rescinded > > > > > > > > > > his impending deployment orders. > > > > > > > > > > > "We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with > > > > > > > > > > excitement. "It > > > > > > > > > > means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It > > > > > > > > > > means that > > > > > > > > > > the military has directly responded by saying Obama is > > > > > > > > > > illegitimate – > > > > > > > > > > and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the > > > > > > > > > > order!" > > > > > > > > > > > She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No > > > > > > > > > > explanation. No > > > > > > > > > > reasons – just revoked." > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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