Richard, I understand you are just "stirring the pot". Good to stimulate discussion and thinking. But what social issue would not have an economic impact on SOMEONE? And how and who would determine a particular issue was strictly a "social issue"?
Thank you for the link. On Jul 20, 12:03 pm, RichardForbes <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe all US citizens should be eligible to vote. I would not > prefer to take that right away nor do I think it should be. However, > as you pointed out, all people vote for their personal financial > advantage. Maybe the answer is that each citizen gets one vote on > social issues with no financial impact, but that tax issues and > spending issues are weighted toward an individual contribution to > society as measured by taxes paid. Just stirring the pot ...... > > BTW, attached is a link to the "Fair Tax". Read it with an open mind > and think specifically about the capacity to control the politicians. > The two groups most opposed to the proposal are long-term politicians > and PACs. As you often point out, all you have to do is follow the > money to understand why they are opposed. > > http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer > > On Jul 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Richard, > > > I understand that. I was simply pointing out some obvious problems > > with it. > > So, a college student working part time while going to school would > > not get a vote? The under-employed? And don't forget the stay-at-home- > > mom. > > > And the rich have the greatest incentive to vote for laws that will > > increase their stock dividends at the expense of the workers. Endless > > war? Great idea, I've got lots of stock in the defense industry > > sector. Won't be my kids doing the fighting & dying. Increase minimum > > wage? Fuck that, will reduce profts of companies I have stock in. > > Clean air, clean water, safe working conditions? Fuck that, it will > > increase the cost of doing business. > > > Core problem here is that EVERYONE is thinking in the terms of short- > > term self interest. > > > On Jul 20, 11:24 am, RichardForbes <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > I was simply tossing out an alternative interpretation. But, I guess > > > if someone is contributing to Social Security, they get a pass. If > > > they are below the full time minimum wage level, they should not. My > > > real point was that those who are a net drag on society are the ones > > > who have the greatest incentive to vote for welfare programs that > > > raise taxes, decrease our competitiveness and endanger future > > > generations. The questions you asked are just as reasonable as the > > > one I raised. But, make no mistake about it, our founding fathers > > > feared that the economic populism resulting from pure democracy, even > > > with the checks and balances they put in place, would be our biggest > > > risk to long-term success as a nation. We are living their worst > > > fears at the present. > > > > On Jul 20, 8:47 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Richard, > > > > > Ok,you have a right to your opinion. > > > > > Who gets to define "temporarily"? > > > > Who gets to define what a more appropiate ratio would be? > > > > The disabled would get no vote? > > > > How much in taxes do you think a Pfc. in the Marines pays? Does he > > > > "contribute to the economy" enough to "deserve" a vote? Take note you > > > > said "contribute to the economy" as the deciding factor NOT > > > > "contribute to the safety or stability". > > > > How about a stay-at-home-mom, raising her family? No vote for her? > > > > > On Jul 20, 9:25 am, RichardForbes <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > The ratio seems excessive, but for those who do not pay taxes and > > > > > effectively do not contribute to the economy, it does seem reasonable > > > > > to temporarily withhold their voting privilege. That would be strong > > > > > incentive to get of their butts and get a job. > > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:15 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On another forum a certain conservative poster who goes by the nic > > > > > > of > > > > > > The Supreme Turtle pretty much openly posed that question. I quote > > > > > > his > > > > > > words" "if you pay 100k in taxes you should have ten times the votes > > > > > > of someone who pays 10K" End quote. > > > > > > > Well , I made my feelings about such a statement pretty clear but am > > > > > > most curious about what posters here think of that. 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