It does NOT work well AT ALL in Canada.
sILVER bELLE > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:46:30 -0700 > Subject: Re: Why nationalizing the medical industry willlead to constant > strife as racial groups, genders, and generations compete for shares of the > budget > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Strange how you can read all about this in the British papers but our > media just seems not to see it happening and doesn't mention it at > all. > --- > not strange at all > > who among us owns the media and promotes socialism? > > On Aug 10, 10:38 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting that the French are pulling back on their socialized system > > and making it more open to private practitioners these days and > > rationing the healthcare itself as are the Brits and the Canadians and > > the Danes and the Germans. I was reading that the Chinese are also > > starting to ration their healthcare and the Japanese as well. So while > > Zero is trying to get us into a socialized medicine plan those who > > already have one are pulling back on it and cutting the benefits. > > Strange how you can read all about this in the British papers but our > > media just seems not to see it happening and doesn't mention it at all. > > > > > > > > plainolamerican wrote: > > > The French have the > > > health-care system that Americans desperately want: it combines > > > private > > > providers and patient choice with a large and generous public > > > insurance > > > system > > > ---- > > > hogwash > > > this is what the socialists among us want > > > > > Reihan Salam doesn't have a fucking clue what Americans want. > > > > > On Aug 10, 8:59 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> *Democrats tried to turn around the health-care debate this weekend, with > > >> Obama criticizing opponents** on his weekly address** and Pelosi labeling > > >> them "un-American." But Reihan Salam says the protests will only grow.* > > > > >> Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have harsh words for the protesters who have > > >> been turning up at town halls across the country. After highlighting a > > >> handful of extreme tactics—in Maryland, protesters hanged a member of > > >> Congress in effigy—Pelosi and Hoyer proceeded to accuse the protesters of > > >> engaging in > > >> “un-American”<http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/unamerican-attacks-cant-derail...>behavior, > > >> perhaps forgetting that the far more extreme tarring and feathering of > > >> British officials was a favorite pastime of America’s pro-independence > > >> radicals. > > > > >> Whether the House Democratic leadership likes it or not, the so-called > > >> "town > > >> brawls" are a sign of things to come. The left has accused conservative > > >> activists of manufacturing outrage over President Obama's health-reform > > >> efforts. Conservatives in turn have argued that the AFL-CIO, SEIU, > > >> Organizing for America and other left-leaning groups have been just as > > >> active in rallying their supporters. What is clear is that both sides > > >> have > > >> had a fairly easy time finding riled-up citizens who are more than happy > > >> to > > >> wave incendiary signs and scream like banshees. Could this have > > >> something to > > >> do with the lackluster quality of prime-time television? *Mad Men* won't > > >> be > > >> back on until August 16th, and bullying some chump congressperson might > > >> be > > >> preferable to enduring yet another episode of *The Real Housewives of > > >> Atlanta*. > > > > >> If Obamacare eventually passes in some form, I'll make you a guarantee: > > >> these ferocious protests will keep getting bigger and louder. > > > > >> Actually, the people who've been raising a ruckus at town halls are not > > >> there because they have nothing better to do: they're acting out because > > >> they are intensely ideological, and they are eager to fight for their > > >> beliefs. Liberals insist that the anti-Obamacare protesters represent an > > >> extreme and intemperate minority, and they're absolutely right. But the > > >> same > > >> was true of those who protested for abolition and women's suffrage and > > >> temperance and civil rights for African Americans and for gays and > > >> lesbians. > > >> I don't believe that Obamacare is a grave evil that should be bitterly > > >> opposed, like Jim Crow. Rather, I think it's an ill-conceived mish-mash > > >> that > > >> will quickly fall apart, leaving the next president to pick up the > > >> pieces. > > >> If I did think Obamacare was evil, though, I'd angrily attend a dozen > > >> town > > >> halls, shaking my fists and playing the kazoo at every one. And if > > >> Obamacare > > >> eventually passes in some form, I'll make you a guarantee: these > > >> ferocious > > >> protests will keep getting bigger and louder. > > > > >> To get a glimpse of America’s future, consider France. The French have > > >> the > > >> health-care system that Americans desperately want: it combines private > > >> providers and patient choice with a large and generous public insurance > > >> system, one that keeps out-of-pocket costs extremely low for working > > >> families. The French system is also dramatically cheaper than our own. > > >> But > > >> whenever there's a move to tweak the system in some way—say, to gently > > >> nudge > > >> patients to get the approval of a general practitioner before seeing a > > >> specialist—the French go absolutely mad with rage. Doctors go on strike, > > >> massive street protests ensue, the riot police come out: it's a crazy > > >> scene. > > > > >> And it makes perfect sense: as more life and death decisions are placed > > >> in > > >> the hands of democratically elected legislators, politics become more > > >> than > > >> an occasional nuisance. When your wages are stagnant or your health > > >> insurance premiums are zooming skyward, you don't blame your boss or bad > > >> luck; instead, you blame the knuckleheads running, or rather ruining, the > > >> country. You come to feel as though you can't just wait until the next > > >> election: You need to make your voice heard now—even if that means > > >> taking to > > >> the streets or throwing a punch. We can call the protesters > > >> “un-American.” > > >> Yet America has gone through long periods of roiling unrest before and it > > >> can happen again. > > > > >> *Reihan Salam is a fellow at the New America Foundation and the co-author > > >> of *Grand New > > >> Party<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307277801/thedaibea-20/> > > >> . > > _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
