The Government IS.......IS.........IS......the PROBLEM
doodah !!**************************************************************************** On Aug 12, 8:02 pm, Diogenes <[email protected]> wrote: > I know you are not going to accept this Bruce, but not everyone > believes that the world is in the pocket of the Government. Your > beloved ideas that the Market Place will correct all the problems has > failed miserably to correct the problems. Government should be the > refuge of the little guy who can not compete either though a lack of > money or time to understand the complexities of problems or the > ability to communicate with all parties involved. Instead of voicing > the same tired rhetoric over and over what would you suggest as an > alternative? > > On Aug 12, 5:01 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > We don't need a government plan > > We need less government intervention and control > > > The government control we already have is what causes problems > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Diogenes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If we would remover the histrionics and hysteria the radical right and > > > left are creating about health care in the US we maybe able to form a > > > coherent and workable plan. But, so much emotion and misinformation on > > > all sides is making rational discussion impossible. Wasting time and > > > disruption of meaningful discussion is the problem. Rather then > > > listening and then responding in a reasonable fashion is not what > > > sells newspapers or feeds the 24hr news cycle, so illiterate children > > > the American public squanders the resources of the country on puerile > > > comments ? The bigger question is no one is asking is who benefits > > > from this childish behavior. > > > > On Aug 12, 12:56 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The Rubes of EngagementWhy there's nothing "un-American" about the > > > > health > > > > care protests > > > > > David Harsanyi <http://www.reason.com/contrib/show/722.html> | August > > > 12, > > > > 2009 > > > > They own the bully pulpit. They enjoy a mandate. They can move the > > > > votes. > > > > They dictate the debate. They write the legislation. They monopolize the > > > > coverage. > > > > > When it comes to politics, Democrats are U.S. Steel, Ma Bell, and Google > > > all > > > > rolled into one. And yet because of a mystifying cosmic event, they are > > > also > > > > victims. > > > > > In a recent editorial in *USA Today*, Democratic House Speaker Nancy > > > Pelosi > > > > and sidekick Steny Hoyer grumbled about how reactionaries are shutting > > > down > > > > the voices of the enlightenment on health care. They accused town hall > > > > insurrectionists of being "afraid not just of differing views—but of the > > > > facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American." > > > > > On one point, at least, Pelosi is correct: Many protesters are terrified > > > of > > > > fact. Because the fact is every iteration of health care "reform" in > > > > Washington is intended to lead us to a single-payer system, which would > > > not > > > > only wreck innovation and competition but also inject bean-counting > > > > bureaucrats into our health care decisions, from zygote to cremation. > > > > > But the notion that grass-roots opponents have the capacity—even by > > > acting > > > > boorishly at a smattering of town hall meetings (rudeness, last anyone > > > > checked, still is protected by the First Amendment)—to "drown out" the > > > > voices of Washington is what our president might call silly. > > > > > Pelosi's party operates (in large margins) both houses of Congress, as > > > well > > > > as the presidency. Elected fairly and squarely by the American people, > > > > no > > > > one can stop Democrats from passing any piece of legislation they > > > > desire, > > > > even if it controls and dispenses a good chunk of the American economy. > > > > > The Republican Party, as we all know, is as impotent as it is > > > > leaderless. > > > > Democrats could pass health care reform today without the benefit of a > > > > solitary GOP vote. Democrats certainly don't need the blessing of the > > > > mob > > > of > > > > irate Brooks Brothers-wearing, un-American, swastika-toting agitators. > > > > > If the government-run health bill doesn't pass, it won't be the result > > > > of > > > > anyone's voice being quashed. In fact, I would be curious to meet the > > > > herculean life-form that has the capability to "drown out" either > > > President > > > > Barack Obama or Pelosi. > > > > > No television, radio, or Web site is immune from the rhetorical > > > maneuverings > > > > of our dear leader. Not even "American Idol" could stop Obama from > > > appearing > > > > in five prime-time news conferences already. (George W. Bush had four > > > > his > > > > entire presidency. Don't get me wrong, though; that was best for > > > > everyone > > > > involved.) If we had any more Obama, he'd require his own station. Oh, > > > wait. > > > > ... > > > > > Not long ago, ABC News aired a prime-time health care reform > > > misinformercial > > > > directly from the White House. Not a single critic was allotted serious > > > time > > > > to dispel this hourlong homage to munificent leadership. This, despite > > > the > > > > fact that John Stossel, one of ABC News' most popular personalities (and > > > one > > > > of the most effective opponents of government-run health care), was, I > > > > assume, available to question the president. > > > > > If Obama desired a vigorous debate, as he claims, he would debate > > > > vigorously. Instead, the president has launched snitch e-mails and a > > > > "reality check" section on the White House Web site, which allows the > > > > administration to conflate over-the-top accusations (e.g., "death > > > panels"; > > > > the only thing being euthanized, of course, would be quality health > > > > care) > > > > with completely legitimate concerns (the "public option" and how it > > > > would > > > > displace tens of millions from their current doctors and insurance). > > > > > Now a "drowned-out" Pelosi has headed to the pages of the newspaper with > > > the > > > > largest circulation in the nation to accuse the growing number of > > > involved > > > > citizens who feel the health care agenda threatens their livelihoods and > > > the > > > > country's future of acting "un-American." How's that for vigorous > > > > debate? > > > > > The problem for government-run health care proponents isn't that debate > > > is > > > > being "drowned out" by fanatical mobs. Quite the opposite. Their problem > > > is > > > > that too many people are finally listening. > > > > > *David Harsanyi is a columnist at *The Denver Post* and the author of > > > *Nanny > > > > State*. Visit his Web site atwww.DavidHarsanyi.com.* > > > > > *COPYRIGHT 2009 THE DENVER POST > > > > DISTRIBUTED BY CREATORS.COM* > > > > > *Discuss this article > > > > online.<http://www.reason.com/blog/show/135372.html#comments> > > > > * > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, "Lone Wolf" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thats right, lets pay taxes, while we work for bugger-all and expect > > > > > nothing in return--while the gamblers that made trillions losing > > > > > trillions are guaranteed $23 trillion dollars in public funds to pay > > > > > off their debts. Some off that $23 trillion should be spent on those > > > > > that contributed the money--it could certainly go to health care, > > > > > social services, education etc. All I am saying if we pay the money, > > > > > can we please have the services--no more--no less > > > > > > The first thing that has to be done is to restore democracy--America > > > > > is a plutocracy/financial dictatorship. > > > > > > It's not even a matter of socialism or capitalism. If the majority of > > > > > people don't want socialized medicine (though the polls show > > > > > otherwise) and prefer to use their taxes for other things, that's > > > > > fine--at the moment the public has no say in what happens in any are > > > > > at all affecting their lives--the don't know where their money is > > > > > going --there is no transparency--and corruption is out of control-- > > > > > big business own everything--they are screwing us and suppressing all > > > > > opposition and debate. > > > > > > On Aug 13, 12:13 am, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > What is behind the opposition to the Obama healthcare plan? > > > > > > --- > > > > > > those of us who should not be forced to pay for the healthcare of > > > > > > others > > > > > > > your healthcare is your responsibility > > > > > > it is NOT an entitlement that WE should have to pay for > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 3:29 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is behind the opposition to the Obama healthcare plan? > > > > > > > 12 August 2009 > > > > > > > > President Obama’s proposed restructuring of the US healthcare > > > system > > > > > > > has come under ferocious attack over the past week. Right-wing > > > > > > > activists, in many cases organized by groups affiliated with the > > > > > > > Republican Party or financed by sections of the healthcare > > > industry, > > > > > > > turned out at town hall meetings to shout down Democratic > > > congressmen > > > > > > > or Obama aides. There have been death threats and some actual > > > > > > > violence. > > > > > > > > The right-wing attack combines hysterical distortion of the > > > provisions > > > > > > > of the Obama plan (frequently, and falsely, branded as “socialized > > > > > > > medicine”) with an appeal to the concerns of wide layers of the > > > > > > > American population who sense, quite correctly, that the > > > > > > > healthcare > > > > > > > restructuring being promoted in Washington will come at their > > > expense > > > > > > > and will benefit only the big corporate interests. > > > > > > > > Chief among the distortions has been the claim, fostered most > > > notably > > > > > > > by former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, that > > > the > > > > > > > Obama plan promotes euthanasia and that millions of elderly people > > > > > > > will be hauled before a federal “death panel” to decide whether > > > paying > > > > > > > for their healthcare was warranted based > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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