they move around appeals courts like olympic skaters no citizenship - no services no compromise
On Aug 16, 1:16 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > If they are legal then that should already be determined. If they are > illegal then they should be subject to deportation at any time and no > services. > > plainolamerican wrote On 08/16/2009 01:56 PM: > > > > > So long as they are legal, paying taxes and working on getting > > citizenship, then I have no problem with their receiving social > > services > > --- > > bad idea > > > what if it is determined that they should be deported? > > who is gonna pay the services they receive? > > that's right - you and me > > > again, until they are legal citizens - no services. > > > On Aug 16, 12:50 pm, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> So long as they are legal, paying taxes and working on getting > >> citizenship, then I have no problem with their receiving social > >> services. If they are illegal, then I agree with you that they have no > >> claim to our social services. I think you need to separate legal > >> immigrants from illegal immigrants. > > >> plainolamerican wrote On 08/16/2009 12:52 PM: > > >>> until they are legal citizens they have no claim to our social > >>> services > > >>> On Aug 15, 12:33 pm, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/15/30... > > >>>> * Home<http://www.boston.com/> / > >>>> * News<http://www.boston.com/news> / > >>>> * Local<http://www.boston.com/news/local> / > >>>> * Mass.<http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts> > > >>>> The Boston Globe<http://www.boston.com/news/globe/> > > >>>> Immigrants to soon lose state health insurance > > >>>> Interim plan will cover ER and limited services > > >>>> By Kay Lazar > >>>> <http://search.boston.com/local/Search.do?s.sm.query=Kay+Lazar&camp=lo...> > >>>> Globe Staff / August 15, 2009 > > >>>> E-mail this article > > >>>> To: > >>>> Invalid email address > >>>> Add a personal message: Your e-mail: > >>>> Invalid email address > > >>>> Sending your article > > >>>> Your article has been sent. > > >>>> * Email<javascript:void(0)>| > >>>> * Print > >>>> > >>>> <http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/15/30...>| > >>>> * Reprints<http://www.globereprints.com/>| > >>>> * Yahoo! Buzz > >>>> > >>>> <http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzz?publisherurn=bostoncom751&guid=http%3A%2F%...>| > >>>> * ShareThis<javascript:void(0)> > > >>>> Text size -- + > > >>>> Thirty thousand legal immigrants have begun receiving letters informing > >>>> them that their state-subsidized health insurance is ending Aug. 31 and > >>>> will be replaced by a patchwork system of care until Massachusetts > >>>> officials can piece together a more comprehensive plan for the most > >>>> critically ill. > > >>>> <http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/15/30...> > >>>> Discuss > >>>> COMMENTS (106) > >>>> <http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/15/30...> > > >>>> "We know that this may be a hard time for you,'' states an accompanying > >>>> note from Dr. JudyAnn Bigby, secretary of Health and Human Services. "We > >>>> are committed to finding some way of covering at least some of the costs > >>>> of your medical needs.'' > > >>>> Left unanswered is what sort of coverage this group will receive and > >>>> ultimately what it will cost taxpayers. > > >>>> The state's interim plan only covers emergencies and other limited > >>>> services, leaving advocates worried about the welfare of these > >>>> immigrants. Under the plan, immigrants will be receiving emergency care > >>>> in hospitals and a limited number of other services through community > >>>> centers under two state programs, the Health Safety Net and MassHealth > >>>> Limited. > > >>>> * *It is unlikely that they will be able to continue receiving coverage > >>>> for routine or preventive care from their current doctors. > > >>>> Advocates working with the administration said yesterday that state > >>>> officials are concentrating on a longer-term plan that will use > >>>> available funds to provide care for those who are the most seriously ill > >>>> with cancer and chronic conditions such as diabetes and heart disease. > > >>>> "Other people who need treatment or need to be diagnosed or get tests, > >>>> we don't know what type of coverage they may be able to have,'' said Eva > >>>> A. Millona, executive director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and > >>>> Refugee Advocacy Coalition. > > >>>> The federal government does not help pay for treating these 30,000 > >>>> "special status'' immigrants, typically people who have been here less > >>>> than five years and are not yet citizens, and thus they are more > >>>> expensive for the state to insure. Many states have dropped coverage for > >>>> this class of immigrants, but until now, Massachusetts had continued to > >>>> provide comprehensive care. > > >>>> Facing huge budget gaps, lawmakers and Governor Deval Patrick's > >>>> administration battled much of the spring over coverage for immigrants, > >>>> with Patrick insisting that these tax-paying residents were entitled to > >>>> full care. Last month, the Legislature approved $40 million for > >>>> immigrants' care, $90 million less than the governor requested in his > >>>> original proposal. The administration then said that $40 million was not > >>>> "sufficient to maintain meaningful coverage or to develop a scaled-back > >>>> program.'' > > >>>> Yesterday, Patrick administration spokeswoman Cyndi Roy said in an > >>>> e-mailed statement that the administration is "still determining how > >>>> best to use the $40 million.'' She declined to elaborate. > > >>>> When state lawmakers approved the $40 million, they required state > >>>> officials to come up with a plan for using it. If they were unable to, > >>>> the bill said, the money could be transferred to the Health Safety Net > >>>> program, which reimburses hospitals and community centers for care given > >>>> to the uninsured poor.* *The Legislature also stipulated that the > >>>> Patrick administration could not spend any more than $40 million for the > >>>> entire group of immigrants through next June. > > >>>> Brian Rosman, research director for the consumer group Health Care for > >>>> All, said yesterday that $40 million is not nearly enough to pay for the > >>>> coverage outlined in the letters to immigrants, and that the > >>>> administration will probably need to seek additional money from the > >>>> Legislature by the spring. > > >>>> Analysts have warned that next year's state budget may need to be even > >>>> tighter than the current spending plan, because the current budget > >>>> relies on one-time federal stimulus money and state reserves. > > >>>> Part of the state's interim coverage plan for this group relies on > >>>> emergency care delivered through hospitals under the Health Safety Net > >>>> program. Under law, hospitals cannot turn away patients seeking > >>>> emergency care, and Rosman said the hospitals' tab could grow hefty. > > >>>> "If demand for services exceeds money available, the law provides for > >>>> making proportional cuts to all hospitals,'' he said. "For hospitals on > >>>> the front line, that means being underpaid for their services, and that > >>>> gets made up in the long run by higher insurance costs for everyone > >>>> else.'' > > >>>> /Kay Lazar can be reached at [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. / > > >>>> © Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
