jgg,
1. I have no earthly idea.
2. Not a complaint old boy. It is a fact that even you choose to not
question or dispute. Why do you use the word "complaint" to describe
it?
3. "Fix one while ignoring the other"? WTF, did I not bring up a cap
of punitive damages only as a means of tort reform?
Why do you now want to claim I want to IGNORE it?
Do you not agree that filing a "false" lawsuit would.could be
considered "attempted fraud" and tbus is covered by criminal law?
Am I now supposed to debate/discuss the issue with you writing BOTH
sides of the argument? I'm supposed to respond to what you CLAIM I
say? I don't think so.
On Aug 18, 8:54 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
> 1) how many lawsuits are tossed out yearly as being without merit???
> Yet as things stand now, they ADD to the cost of medical care
>
> 2) your compliant that our tort system is NOT THE ONLY reason for
> extra tests is a strawman... It is a major reason and thereby needs
> to part of the debate... Your arguments would have just fixing one
> cause while ignoring the other... THAT IS NOT ANYWAY TO DO REFORM...
>
> On Aug 17, 5:22 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > jgg,
>
> > If it was a "fake" accusation and/or suit the proper charge would be
> > attempted insurance fraud, or theft by fraud, which I believe is a
> > criminal offense. Are you saying your definition of "frivilous
> > lawsuit" is actually "attempted fraud"? Fruad has always been illegal.
>
> > On Aug 17, 3:23 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > That is the point Zeb... If the lawsuit is frivolous as determined by
> > > the courts, have the courts fine the lawyer $10,000 for a fake
> > > lawsuit...
>
> > > On Aug 17, 3:52 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > The court will have to determine, on an individual basis. I'm sure
> > > > they'll consider if there is enough evidence of the charge, if the
> > > > charge was intentional and/or avoidable, if any damage actually
> > > > occurred............
>
> > > > On Aug 17, 12:11 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Jgg,
>
> > > > > Dammit you are not listening. DEFINE "fivilous lawsuit".
> > > > > You can't "cap" what lawyers earn unless you are also ready to cap
> > > > > what doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, etc. can earn.
>
> > > > > On Aug 17, 10:45 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Lets start here
>
> > > > > > Limiting the abuse of frivolous lawsuits pushed by lawyers and/or
> > > > > > patients... One place to start is if a lawsuit is frivolous,
> > > > > > charge
> > > > > > the lawyer and patient for slander and/or label... Limiting
> > > > > > putative
> > > > > > damages... Limiting the practice of suing any and all who MIGHT be
> > > > > > involved... Capping lawyers compensation to the smaller of a
> > > > > > percentage or a hard limit... There are other suggestions, I
> > > > > > understand the any solution is by definition complex and nuanced...
> > > > > > But not to even discuss the issue or consider it when the WH, as it
> > > > > > does now, insisted this is a debate on health INSURANCE reform is
> > > > > > silly
>
> > > > > > On Aug 13, 10:12 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > jgg,
>
> > > > > > > Third time, give me your definition of tort reform. How can we
> > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > rationally what you seem to be unwilling or unable to even define?
> > > > > > > I've already suggested a cap on punitive damages, and punitive
> > > > > > > damages
> > > > > > > only. What do you have to say?
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 12, 2:18 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I said together... You suggest payment and delivery system
> > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > tort reform first... I then asked why not tort reform
> > > > > > > > first... My
> > > > > > > > point was and is an unreformed tort system IS a major factor in
> > > > > > > > health
> > > > > > > > care raising costs --- it effects and alters how physicians MUST
> > > > > > > > practice just to avoid greedy lawyers whose principle is to sue
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > and all involved regardless of fault... Even if the lawyer
> > > > > > > > loses,
> > > > > > > > often their costs ARE required to be paid by the claimants...
> > > > > > > > So if
> > > > > > > > you want systemic health care reform, you must have tort reform
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > well... The Democrats pretend otherwise...
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 11:45 am, Hollywood <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > jgg,
>
> > > > > > > > > WHY should there be tort reform first? Who's struggling more,
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > family that is facing immediate bankruptcy due to medical
> > > > > > > > > bills or the
> > > > > > > > > Physician so financially stressed by the cost of medical
> > > > > > > > > malpractice
> > > > > > > > > insurance he may not be able to afford a new Mercedes this
> > > > > > > > > year?
>
> > > > > > > > > Once again I ask, give me a clear definition of what you mean
> > > > > > > > > by "tort
> > > > > > > > > reform".
>
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 10:06 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Then what about tort reform FIRST... The problem Hollywood
> > > > > > > > > > is you
> > > > > > > > > > have to address all the systemic problems, or at least
> > > > > > > > > > start to, to
> > > > > > > > > > have long lasting cost saving health care reform... That
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Democrats refuse to is telling... Your line of argument is
> > > > > > > > > > fundamentally the same as Obama's lines " You have to pass
> > > > > > > > > > health
> > > > > > > > > > reform now or else", "Any change is better the no change",
> > > > > > > > > > and "We
> > > > > > > > > > have thoroughly discussed health care for 40 years"....
>
> > > > > > > > > > If these were true, tort reform would be part and parcel of
> > > > > > > > > > any health
> > > > > > > > > > reform reform now... People remember how the emergency
> > > > > > > > > > "Stimulus
> > > > > > > > > > Bill" changed the basic formulation of welfare payment due
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > provision slipped in at the last moment...
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 3:55 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > jgg,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It does not all have to be done in one piece at one time.
> > > > > > > > > > > No one has
> > > > > > > > > > > yet to give a concise definition of tort reform other
> > > > > > > > > > > that to shout
> > > > > > > > > > > about "frivolous lawsuits". A cap on punitive damages
> > > > > > > > > > > ONLY would
> > > > > > > > > > > probably be a good place to start.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 2:43 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > A partisan solution without tort reform will only make
> > > > > > > > > > > > matters
> > > > > > > > > > > > worse... That is the rest of the story Obama is
> > > > > > > > > > > > refusing to
> > > > > > > > > > > > discuss... The notion of Health Reform at any cost
> > > > > > > > > > > > is as dangerous
> > > > > > > > > > > > as Peace at any cost was in 1938...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 3:37 pm, Hollywood
> > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jgg,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree in principle with the solution you suggest.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > But I hope you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > realize that the need for a better healtcare system
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is hardly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > something new, it was first proposed by President
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Truman. It's ALWAYS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > going to be "this needs more study, what's the rush"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > according to some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > people. Look at the energy problem, our dependence on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > oil, most of it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Only an idiot would not have realized the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > solution must be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > found after the OPEC oil embargo of 1973. Thirty five
> > > > > > > > > > > > > years or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > possible progress towards a viable solution simple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown away.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 1:01 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if you want to point to Medicare, just look to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how they base the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > payments for doctor visits.... It is a portion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ordinary and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > customary charges... So if your costs are $50 per
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > visit, you have to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jack it up to include your profit, Medicare's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discount, and project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that figure 3 years in the future... SO The visit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that cost $50, for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you might profit $10 if you get $60 you might
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charge $100 to have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medicare discount the bill back to $60...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or might a doctor have an xray machine in-house so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his elderly patient
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not have make a second appoint at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hospital... It would be a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sin if he made a slight profit from THAT service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (especially when he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charged less the the Hospital)... The problem with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Health Car
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > debate is it is so nuanced that to reduce it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "greedy insurance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies and doctors) makes it a meaningless
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shouting match...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My solution??? Get a serious bi-partisan panel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose recommendations
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congress would have vote yea or nay... If Health
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Care is so demanded
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the American People, it will wait six-eight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > months for folks to get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it right.. Instead Obama demands action,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regardless of viability, now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for his political resume...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 3:54 pm, Hollywood
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jgg.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really? And the fact that each and every test is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > billable has nothing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatsoever to do with it I suppose?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2:39 pm, jgg1000a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nor will help the stupidity and incompetence
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community... Why the extra tests???
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Malpractice Insurance requires
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it because of an uncontrolled tort system...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 6:13 pm, Hollywood
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jgg,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I seriously doubt that Health Care reform
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will eliminate stupidity and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incompetence within the health care field.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 3:42 pm, jgg1000a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will listen because I can't... How can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I take Obama and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Democrats serious about the seriousness
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning
>
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