You are arguing yourself into a corner. Governments are supposed to govern ie by organizing and regulating social and economic activity of the country. If government does not intervene to mediate antagonisms between capital and labor, society cannot function. One of the major problems confronting society is the fact that government is a front for the corporations, therefore representing the interests of capital at the expense of labor--which means capital has a free hand to exploit labor--no regulation.
The enormous debt that has accrued over the last period is the result of complete deregulation demanded by the corporations. Default swaps and Hedge fund activity took place without any oversight whatsoever-- by 2004 the banks demanded that all restrictions on the amount they can borrow in proportion to assets held be removed and it was--it was former Treasury secretary Paulson that headed this push when he was the CEO of Goldman Sachs, and then when it all unravelled, the corporate controlled government appointed him treasury secretary were he then proceeded to pilfer public funds to pay off corporate gambling debts that he was instrumental in creating--and this is but one small example--all of Obama's financial advisers and appointees are rapacious, ruthless representitves of the most venal sections of finance capital. The propertied class are the ruling class. They form the government, write the laws and enforce them--is this not self evident? The US gets into financial strife and the ruling class sets about rewriting laws, abrogating democratic rights and launching wars of imperialist plunder to shore up their positions. I am only stating what is actually taking place, it ain't that complicated. On Aug 20, 7:29 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > Wrong. > Their are particular points in time where government changed and expanded > dramatically, taking control of the money supply, the press (the airwaves), > creating a military empire, deciding it could regulate commerce etc. All of > this happened in the past 100 years, and it has been accelerating > > As usual all your statements are stupid and completely uninformed > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > You do realize that "the govt." you bitch about is composed of > > Democrats AND Republicans, right? You understand that what you're > > bitching about has been going on for approx. 200 years now and these > > faults you cry in outrage over were NOT just invented 6 months ago, > > right? > > > On Aug 19, 2:24 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Your jealousy and hatred blind you studio. If I take a billion dollars > > > extra away from Paul Allen and give it to the government, they will > > > waste or lose 40% of it immediately. The rest they will spend on > > > "programs" that will funnel the money to those people who support > > > their never ending bids for re-election. Paul Allen would buy a mega > > > yacht and a 747 airplane and build a castle like home on the beach. > > > The building of the yacht would employ hundreds of people and running > > > it afterward will do the same. Yacht basin workers, ships crew, > > > caterers, decorators. Same with the plane and the mansion. Creating > > > real jobs for real people. > > > > Or we could use your plan and put all the money in a big pile, light > > > it on fire, makes some Smores and sing Kumbaya. > > > > On Aug 19, 2:49 pm, studio <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 19, 1:58 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Wealthy people produce all the wealth > > > > > They invent computers and cell phones. You don't produce anything > > > > > Nope. They're scared I might take over their business, so they don't > > > > hire me. > > > > > > It is clear in the US there is a group of wealthy people like Tom > > Daschle > > > > > who make money by looting taxpayers. Government should be abolished > > so they > > > > > cannot do that > > > > > Abolish government so that rich people can be the altruistic people > > > > they were always meant to be and rule over us. Yeah right. > > > > > > There is a another group like Bill Gates or Oprah Winfry who create > > wealth. > > > > > Liberals? Why you don't say? > > > > > > Your argument is something like: wealthy people own most of the > > wealth, > > > > > THEREFORE wealthy people should pay for most of the government's > > budget. > > > > > Uh yeah, government protects the freedoms those people use to pursue > > > > wealth, not the other way around. > > > > What you're saying is that wealthy people don't owe a damn thing to > > > > anyone for anything and are islands unto themselves. > > > > > > There is no logic there. If government is doing something valuable, > > in > > > > > itself dubious,... > > > > > Like putting government military troops in all parts of the world? > > > > You may have a point there crazy Bruce. > > > > > > those receiving the benefits and services should pay for it. > > > > > Not anyone else. Wealthy people probably "use" government less than > > anyone > > > > > else,since they don't use public education or hospitals. > > > > > lol...yeah, those wealthy people are immortal and never use a > > > > hospital. Hospitals are for poor people. > > > > > Geez, you aren't nearly as good as Gaar was at spin.- Hide quoted text > > - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
