Sage2, Where did I say triage was a bad thing? I merely gave a definition of it, nothing else.
On Aug 20, 10:14 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > Holly, > > Triage in an ER is not like on the battle field or > during a disaster. It is used to depict those that warrant attention > immediately and/or those who need it at all. Many come in with > ailments that are treatable at home or through a PCP. The problem is > that there are on any given night in many hospitals throughout the > country groups of minorities and many " illegals " overwhelming the > system with petty ailments and are disrupting the flow of care > deserving to the real emergency cases. We may be morally required to > treat the truely needy emergency cases but not the petty stuff they > abuse the system with. Triage in these cases is really a separation of > " need " vs " abuse ". Go to almost any hospital in any large or > midsized urban area and see the nightmare these individuals > perpetrate. Many with three or four kids and or extended famillies of > up to 10 or twelve. They are boisterous and often very rude and lack > any respect for others or for where they are. We are not obligated to > accept this kind of behavior just because they decide to use ER's for > their lack of insurance, especially when most are " illegals ". > Just like liberals do not comprehend the meaning of " > illegal " they do not comprehend " emergency ". Triage in the ER is a > good thing, not a bad thing . > > On Aug 20, 9:07 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sage2,, > > > For God's sake, does the simplest things have to be explained to some > > people? Triage is NOT treatment, it is an evaluation process by which > > priority for treatment is determined. > > > On Aug 20, 5:37 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Luiz, > > > > Speak for yourself ! First you said they were > > > dismissed and denied and Know you come back and say they go through > > > the process of " triage " to validate their claims. It is you that is > > > being dishonest here. Trying to be like Obama are we lie and lie on > > > top of the lie ! > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > > On Aug 20, 5:45 pm, CaliforniaLuis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As history has shown, the right has very little credibility. > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:38 pm, Diogenes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The right should and must be very careful about attacking the > > > > > credibility of the arguments of anyones comments. Considering the > > > > > cross misrepresentation of the past years. When facts are confused and > > > > > the misrepresentations are substitute for verifiable facts or even the > > > > > most incredible comments. > > > > > > On Aug 20, 5:21 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You want us to listen to the constant stream of unending lies from > > > > > > the > > > > > > democrats instead? > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:15 PM, CaliforniaLuis > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wrong. I worked in an ER/Trauma Center that was in one of the > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > Hispanic areas of Southern California. EVERYONE that presents > > > > > > > themselves to an ER gets "triaged" by a nurse and a doctor. That > > > > > > > means vital signs and a quick exam. If you are > > > > > > > deemed to have a non life threatening emergency (which constitute > > > > > > > around 94% of all ER cases) you can be sent away LEGALLY to a free > > > > > > > clinic or to a private doctor if you have no form of payment. > > > > > > > Being > > > > > > > "seen" is not the same as being "seen and treated". > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 12:29 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Your list is an obvious lie. YOU are > > > > > > > > obviously a > > > > > > > > liar because today's laws do not allow for denial of health care > > > > > > > > especially if you are an " illegal alien immigrant " in an > > > > > > > > emergency > > > > > > > > room situation though you may be denied payment for abusing the > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > the hospitals have to treat you and fight for payment later. The > > > > > > > > government today covers "emergency room " costs for { illegal > > > > > > > > alien > > > > > > > > immigrants } but not for U.S. citizens . Obama the biggest of > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > liars said today in his interview with a radio host that the > > > > > > > > bill does > > > > > > > > not cover " illegal alien immigrants " but it will cover > > > > > > > > emergency > > > > > > > > visits. So nothing has changed they will simply deluge our > > > > > > > > E-rooms and > > > > > > > > the bill will not allow hospitals to verify eligibility. So > > > > > > > > who are > > > > > > > > the liar's ? You and B.O. -------- LUIZ ! ! ! > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:37 pm, CaliforniaLuis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From working in the ER for 20 years, I have seen just how > > > > > > > > > restrictive > > > > > > > > > and penny-pinching corporate healthcare is... > > > > > > > > > > Your child has a horrible earache at 2 AM? The child is > > > > > > > > > screaming in > > > > > > > > > agony so you drive to the local ER. The ER staff calls your > > > > > > > > > insurance > > > > > > > > > company/HMO for authorization only to be denied because it is > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > "life-threatening emergency". What do they instruct the ER > > > > > > > > > to tell > > > > > > > > > the parents? Give the child some Tylenol and go to the > > > > > > > > > walk-in clinic > > > > > > > > > at 8:00 AM. > > > > > > > > > > Vomiting your brains out in the middle of the night because > > > > > > > > > of food > > > > > > > > > poisoning? Go to the ER because you can't stop > > > > > > > > > vomiting...DENIED! Go > > > > > > > > > to your primary physician when his office opens. > > > > > > > > > > Your child has a high fever. You can't seem to bring it > > > > > > > > > down. Unless > > > > > > > > > the fever is over 101 when you arrive at the ER, you will be > > > > > > > > > DENIED! > > > > > > > > > Go to your pediatrician's office when it opens in the morning. > > > > > > > > > > Get into a car accident and you need to be admitted to the > > > > > > > > > hospital? > > > > > > > > > You are 100 miles from your insurance/HMO's contracted > > > > > > > > > hospital...DENIED. Unless you are critical and unstable, you > > > > > > > > > are put > > > > > > > > > into an ambulance and transferred to your contracted > > > > > > > > > hospital. Most > > > > > > > > > of the time, your contracted hospital is not a Trauma Center > > > > > > > > > so you > > > > > > > > > will get inexperienced and substandard care. > > > > > > > > > > Gee, in any of these scenarios, if the patient would of had > > > > > > > > > government > > > > > > > > > insurance (Medi-Care or Medicaid), they would have been > > > > > > > > > APPROVED. In > > > > > > > > > fact, the ER would not even be required to call first for > > > > > > > > > authorization. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Don't listen to people like Kama, OhioMark, Lew, LadyBug, and > > > > > > > > > Ms. > > > > > > > > > Con...they couldn't be more WRONG. They have no real world > > > > > > > > > experience. They are only sounding boards of the pundits. > > > > > > > > > Nearly > > > > > > > > > all nurses and doctors support the "public option" (as does > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > American Medical Association). We have a perfect opportunity > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > reform healthcare and I have a feeling we are going to give > > > > > > > > > in to the > > > > > > > > > Republicans and BLOW IT!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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