some don't forget they're not Americans
On Aug 24, 4:36 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > give them health care, welfare, amnesty, make them citizens, teach them to > be good commie-dems. Object is to turn the US into a communist > zimbabwe-like state. > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Bruce Majors <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, ObamaCare will likely cover illegal aliens > > > Media fact-checkers have caught Obama telling several falsehoods about his > > health-care proposals. But they have let him get away with other false > > claims, such as his claim that ObamaCare would not cover illegal aliens. As > > John Rosenberg, an expert on discrimination law, explains, the health-care > > legislation backed by Obama would indeed likely cover illegal aliens. > > While a House health-care bill backed by Obama purports to exclude exclude > > illegal aliens from receiving certain taxpayer-funded subsidies, it > > effectively includes them, since it blocks any way of determining whether or > > not recipients of government health insurance are in the country legally. > > This is because liberal lawmakers deliberately blocked conservative attempts > > to require verification that recipients of federally-subsidized health > > insurance are citizens or in the country legally. > > > One of the “Blue Dog” Democrats who voted for the bill in committee now > > admits that it does cover illegal aliens. > > > As columnist Jay Ambrose notes, “Democrats want to make it impossible to > > find out if an applicant for benefits is here illegally or not, despite > > specific wording in bills saying they don’t qualify. Republicans have tried > > on a number of occasions to include amendments requiring more than what > > Democrats want — just writing down a Social Security number that will never > > be checked — and the answer is, oh my, this is an invasion of privacy. . . > > .It’s an invasion of privacy to find out whether someone is or is not a > > citizen and therefore eligible for something taxpayers are providing? What > > blather. All of us have to produce IDs of one kind or another on a host of > > different occasions, from driver’s licenses, to passports, to birth > > certificates. . . ‘Saying that illegal immigrants cannot benefit while at > > the same time blocking verification is akin to passing a law that sets the > > legal drinking age at 21 years and then preventing bars from checking a > > patron’s identification,’ writes Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in an op-ed piece > > in The Washington Times, and it seems to me that about says it.” > > > Covering illegal aliens might be acceptable if illegal aliens also had the > > same responsibilities as citizens. But they don’t. Illegal aliens are exempt > > from the taxes and penalties contained in ObamaCare, even though they are > > effectively able to access its benefits due to the lack of eligibility > > verification safeguards. Illegal aliens should not receive preference. > > > Yet the Congressional Hispanic Caucus pushed to have illegal aliens benefit > > from ObamaCare. > > > Illegal aliens are not the biggest health care issue. But it does shed > > light on the media’s willingness to gullibly accept many of Obama’s claims > > at face value. Some media fact-checkers have claimed that ObamaCare won’t > > cover illegal aliens simply because Obama says so. > > > But Obama’s credibility is undermined by his long line of broken promises, > > such as his pledge to enact a “net spending cut,” which he broke through > > budgets that will explode the national debt through $9.3 trillion in > > massively increased deficit spending. > > > Obama’s own advisors have called into question his claims about how > > ObamaCare will supposedly let you keep your health coverage while cutting > > costs. > > > “ObamaCare is all about rationing,” says one of Obama’s own advisers, > > Martin Feldstein. Feldstein earlier noted that Obama’s health-care plan > > would harm people with insurance, and massively raise taxes. > > > ObamaCare is penny-wise and pound-foolish, cutting reimbursement for > > crucial things like anesthesia to ridiculously low levels (and thus > > aggravating a shortage of anesthesiologists and doctors), even while > > increasing spending on wasteful frills. > > > Legal experts and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights have questioned the > > constitutionality of major provisions of ObamaCare. > > > Fact-checkers say Obama is lying about health-care. > > > Feldstein, a Harvard professor, warns that “For the 85 percent of Americans > > who already have health insurance, the Obama health plan is bad news. It > > means higher taxes, less health care and no protection if they lose their > > current insurance because of unemployment or early retirement.” Obama’s plan > > would “cost more than $1 trillion,” and raise the top federal “income-tax > > rate from 35 percent today to more than 45 percent,” he notes. > > > As CNN earlier noted, Obama’s plan would take away “5 freedoms,” including > > the freedom to choose your doctors, the freedom to choose what’s in your > > plan, the freedom to keep your existing plan, the freedom to be rewarded for > > healthy living, and the freedom to choose high-deductible coverage. > > > Earlier, we described how Obama’s health-care plan would destroy many > > affordable health-care plans, raise taxes on the middle class, and break > > Obama’s campaign promises, as well as his recent pledge that “if you like > > your health care plan, you can keep it.” > > > Most other countries do not provide national health insurance for illegal > > immigrants. > > > Please send offgroup messages to [email protected] . 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