the lowest level > grunts were given 10 years of hard time ---- cite source and the crime they were sentenced for ... please
torturing terrorists is justified On Aug 31, 12:20 am, Daniel Seigler <[email protected]> wrote: > as i was NOT in attendence in ANY torture event, i withhold comment on WHO > did WHAT...But by the research i have been conducting into the missteps of > our government, i personally believe that ALL responsible, not just the > perpitrators, but also the ones ISSUING the rders, should be charged and IF > found guilty, treated as ANY COMMON criminal. No fancy federal prison, put > them in general pop with the rest of the criminals. put them in SingSing, or > Folsom. Too bad Alcatraz is closed. > > > > > > > > > Before anything else, we owe a couple dozen of you a bit of an > > apology. We underestimated the demand for the new "Single Payer > > Health Care" caps and got caught short by a couple dozen with the > > shipment that went out yesterday. But we will be taking delivery on > > another big batch before the end of the coming week, and they are all > > going out first class, so if you don't get yours this week, you will > > shortly after that, and we thank you for your patience. And if you > > get a request in this week it will go out then as well. In the > > meantime, all the "Convict Dick & W" caps have gone out. > > > Not Even Obama Will Give Up The Illegal War Powers Seized By Bush > > Unless Congress Makes Him Do It > > > Even in appointing a special counsel last week to look into torture, > > Eric Holder essentially directed him to IGNORE whether a crime was > > committed in ordering torture in the first place. The only mandate > > lifelong Republican prosecutor John Durham has been given is about > > whether department personnel EXCEEDED the instructions they were > > given. The "just following orders defense" rejected at Nuremberg has > > been resurrected by our new Attorney General. > > > With Holder doing such a weak job of enforcing the law on his own, it > > is all the more important to get Congress to reassert itself in all > > these matters, in particular the abuse of war powers under which all > > the torture happened in the first place. And HR 104, To establish a > > national commission on presidential war powers and civil liberties, > > appears to be a good step in this direction. We should not > > preemptively exclude congressional commissions or investigations as a > > route to real justice, for that is what Watergate was all about. > > Congress must act NOW to constrain ALL future presidents, including > > Obama, lest we end up with worse than Bush before we know it. > > > Presidential War Powers Action Page: > >http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1001.php > > > How all those Nazi war criminals would have wished for a standard > > like that set by Eric Holder. Legal opinions no matter how corruptly > > or self-servingly drafted become get out of prison free cards. Never > > might that there were many valiant, patriotic people in the CIA and > > the FBI, the vast majority, who STRENUOUSLY objected to the adoption > > of torture as accepted U.S. policy. The fact is that NO member of any > > one of these agencies could have believed in good faith that the > > torture techniques condemned when used by every other totalitarian > > regime were suddenly squeaky clean in their hands. > > > That is what is so disingenuous about Holder's posture, a refusal to > > actually confront the real issue. Either we are a nation of laws or > > else we are not. And if the Justice Department was issuing opinions > > that were patently bogus in defense of torture, it is corruption in > > HIS OWN department that must be rooted out, and all involved in such > > outrages must be held fully responsible. > > > Instead, Holder's suggestion is essentially that a couple so-called > > "bad apples" should be scapegoated, just as the contractors directing > > the torture at Abu Grahib, under orders that came direct from the > > White House, were allowed to skate away, while the lowest level > > grunts were given 10 years of hard time. At this point, the best way > > to pressure Holder to actually do his job is to pressure Congress to > > do theirs, and execute their own investigation into the abuse of war > > powers. > > > Presidential War Powers Action Page: > >http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1001.php > > > And yes, we will continue to hear lies about how splendidly well > > torture worked, even though it did not, to try to seduce the American > > people into endorsing the abominable. Cheney was all over the TV over > > the last couple months asserting that the recently released CIA > > report would absolve him, by showing how torture led to all kinds of > > great intelligence breakthroughs. There was nothing like that in > > there. Instead, there were detailed specific instructions on > > executing torture, adopted from and imitating the worst dictatorships > > in history, in clinical detail like something out of World War II > > Nazi bureaucracy. > > > The Washington Post is in up to their hips with this disinformation > > campaign, running a story over the weekend with a headline suggesting > > that waterboarding and sleep deprivation were a boon to intelligence. > > And yet when you actually read it you find that WHILE Khalid Sheik > > Mohammed was being waterboarded 183 times he was giving false > > intelligence that was harmfully counterproductive. It is only AFTER > > the criminal mistreatment stopped, and much later, that he actually > > started to cooperate. > > > So let us make no mistake, the people who did these things in our > > name were a handful of true sickos, getting in their own sadistic > > jollies to the disgrace of the good name of the United States of > > America. And not just those few who willingly went along with it > > without objection, those who authorized, justified it, and ordered it > > must also be held responsible, right back to the desk of former Vice > > President Dick Cheney, and his go along patsy, George Bush. If Holder > > is so anxious to relieve CIA employees of responsibility, let them > > testify against the real criminal kingpins in the White House, as the > > price of their immunity. > > > So again, if want a "Convict Dick & W" cap we'll be shipping more of > > those this week, we'll have more of the "Single Payer Health Care" > > caps at the same time. And you can request either of these or any > > other of our progressive advocacy gifts from the return page of the > > action page above, or directly from this link. > > > Progressive Advocacy Gifts:http://www.peaceteam.net/all_gifts.php > > > And yes, you can also respond to this action through the new Twitter > > gateway. 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