I doubt you could make me, lame limp gramps On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote:
> > Bruce, > > Now you're butting in with absolutely no objective other than to hurl > insults? Piss off fudge-packer. > > > On Sep 7, 4:47 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > you have to b able to get an erection Holly > > it's been so long you don't remember > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Hollywood <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain, > > > > > Fuck you. > > > > > On Sep 7, 4:24 pm, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I thought so. > > > > > > Just think, if you had held out until the invasion of the ME you > could > > > > have received not only cash but also a free college education. > > > > > > oh well, not all warmongers are cut out for college or higher > > > > learning > > > > > > On Sep 7, 4:07 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > plain, > > > > > > > Yeah right, i became a wealthy man on the $90.00/mo. a Marine > Private > > > > > was paid in 1968. Numbnuts. > > > > > > > On Sep 7, 3:55 pm, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > oh, that's right - you took their blood money in VN - didn't you? > > > > > > > > On Sep 7, 11:24 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > plain, > > > > > > > > > Now THAT was one of the most idiotic fucking statements you > have > > > EVER > > > > > > > made. > > > > > > > And considering the level of idiocy of many of your posts > that's > > > > > > > really saying something. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan the next Vietnam? > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > it already is > > > > > > > > > > as long as the US government offers it's soldiers cash money, > > > > > > > > benefits, and educational reimbursement they'll kill anyone, > > > anywhere > > > > > > > > on command > > > > > > > > > > Warmongers Beware! > > > > > > > > Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 10:16 am, Pradeep Sharma < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sep 05 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > The Other Voice - Afghanistan the next Vietnam? > > > > > > > > > > > Barack Obama campaigned like an anti-war Presidential > > > candidate, but on > > > > > > > > > assuming power was confronted with the reality that the > West's > > > position in > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan had become intractable -- same that Nixon faced > in > > > Vietnam? > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan is proving to be one of Barack Obama's toughest > > > foreign policy > > > > > > > > > challenges. Eight years after the US, along with its NATO > > > allies, intervened > > > > > > > > > in Afghanistan, the situation there only seems to have got > > > grimmer and > > > > > > > > > parallels are being drawn between Afghanistan and America's > war > > > in Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > "Could Afghanistan become Obama's Vietnam?" wrote Peter > Baker > > > in a New York > > > > > > > > > Times article last week. Though he agrees that historical > > > analogies are > > > > > > > > > "overly simplistic and fatally flawed," he has set in > motion a > > > major debate > > > > > > > > > on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > Just a few months back, at the time of his inauguration, > Obama > > > was being > > > > > > > > > hailed as a Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D Roosevelt rolled > > > into one, who > > > > > > > > > would usher in a `new deal' that would see the resurgence > of > > > the US after > > > > > > > > > eight years of what many saw as the flawed policies of > George W > > > Bush. The > > > > > > > > > moment was projected as one of those once-in-a generation > > > occurrences and > > > > > > > > > perhaps expectations from Obama were unrealistically high. > > > Obama acquired > > > > > > > > > the image of an anti-war candidate in the election > campaign. > > > However, > > > > > > > > > Presidents, after taking the oath, often confront > situations > > > that they do > > > > > > > > > not always either anticipate, or discover, as perhaps Obama > did > > > once he > > > > > > > > > assumed office, that there is not much room for > maneuverability > > > in foreign > > > > > > > > > affairs. This perhaps accounts for his opting for the > "status > > > quo" on the > > > > > > > > > foreign policy front. He gave support for continued NATO > > > expansion as well > > > > > > > > > as maintaining American garrisons around the globe. > > > > > > > > > > > "But his escalation in Afghanistan most obviously > demonstrates > > > that he is a > > > > > > > > > man of the interventionist left," > > > > > > > > > says Doug Bandow of the Washington DC-based CATO Institute. > > > Obama's second > > > > > > > > > 100 days in office have also seen his popularity decline > below > > > the 50 per > > > > > > > > > cent mark in July mainly on account of two factors, > > > dissatisfaction with his > > > > > > > > > handling of the economy, especially healthcare and the > > > environment issues, > > > > > > > > > and the manner in which the war in Afghanistan is being > > > conducted. According > > > > > > > > > to Peter Baker, "In this summer of discontent for Mr Obama, > as > > > the heady > > > > > > > > > early days give way to the grinding battle for elusive > goals, > > > he looks ahead > > > > > > > > > to an uncertain future not only for his legislative agenda > but > > > for what has > > > > > > > > > indisputably become his war." > > > > > > > > > > > There was general optimism when the Obama administration > > > declared its Af-Pak > > > > > > > > > policy on March 27, 2009. The core strategic goal to > "disrupt, > > > dismantle, > > > > > > > > > and eventually defeat al-Qaeda and to eliminate the safe > havens > > > in > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan and Pakistan" seemed attainable given the > popular > > > support that > > > > > > > > > the new administration enjoyed at that time. All that seems > to > > > have changed. > > > > > > > > > According to the Stanford University historian, David > Kennedy, > > > as quoted in > > > > > > > > > the NYT, President Obama is concerned that Afghanistan > could > > > yet `hijack' > > > > > > > > > his presidency, even though he still refers to the war in > > > Afghanistan as > > > > > > > > > "not a war of choice but a war of necessity." > > > > > > > > > > > The policy of escalating the war in Afghanistan with > increased > > > troop > > > > > > > > > presence presents its own challenges. > > > > > > > > > While the generals feel they are over-stretched on the > ground, > > > Obama finds > > > > > > > > > that even his own party men in Congress have begun to > question > > > the wisdom of > > > > > > > > > sending more troops. There appears to be a growing > consensus > > > within the > > > > > > > > > United States to deploy more drones that are seen to be > doing a > > > great job in > > > > > > > > > Pakistan and are credited with having decimated the top > Taliban > > > leadership > > > > > > > > > in Pakistan territory, including dreaded Baitullah Mehsud. > > > > > > > > > > > According to a recent Rasmussen Report, 41 per cent of the > > > voters who > > > > > > > > > participated in the poll are less hopeful in August, as > > > compared to a > > > > > > > > > similar poll in June, of the situation improving in > > > Afghanistan. A similar > > > > > > > > > poll conducted in July by the NYT and CBS News showed that > 57 > > > per cent of > > > > > > > > > Americans felt that things were not going right for them in > > > Afghanistan. > > > > > > > > > > > July 2009 also saw the heaviest casualties among the > western > > > forces in the > > > > > > > > > eight-year-war. The toll stood at 43 US soldiers and 31 > from > > > among the > > > > > > > > > western allies. > > > > > > > > > Mid-July also witnessed emotional scenes in the small town > of > > > Wootton > > > > > > > > > Bassett in England when the bodies of eight British > soldiers > > > killed in one > > > > > > > > > day's fighting in Afghanistan arrived home. > > > > > > > > > According to a report, an aircraft carrying the coffins > landed > > > at an air > > > > > > > > > base in the western Wiltshire County, where a flyover of > > > military jets took > > > > > > > > > place, followed by a ceremony for the families of the dead. > > > > > > > > > > > Britain has 9,000 soldiers in Afghanistan, stationed in the > > > seething > > > > > > > > > southern Helmand Province which has witnessed pitched > guerrilla > > > warfare > > > > > > > > > between the Taliban fighters and British soldiers. Britain > is > > > not used to > > > > > > > > > such high casualties in Afghanistan, and the average Briton > is > > > beginning to > > > > > > > > > question the value of fighting a long-drawn battle in a > faraway > > > land over > > > > > > > > > the long term, especially when the real fight against the > > > Taliban seems to > > > > > > > > > have just begun. > > > > > > > > > > > While British Prime Minister Gordon Brown might emphasise > the > > > need to > > > > > > > > > persist in Afghanistan, the overall public support for his > > > government is > > > > > > > > > dwindling. In his address to the House of Commons recently > he > > > declared: "It > > > > > > > > > has been a very difficult summer and it is not over yet, > but if > > > we are to > > > > > > > > > deny Helmand to the Taliban in the long term, if we are to > > > defeat this > > > > > > > > > vicious insurgency and by doing so make Britain and the > world a > > > safer place, > > > > > > > > > then we must persist with our operations in Afghanistan". > > > > > > > > > Brown is also under sustained attack from the Conservative > > > opposition for > > > > > > > > > allegedly neglecting the safety of British troops by not > > > equipping them > > > > > > > > > properly for the war in Afghanistan. > > > > > > > > > > > While Britain is committed to "building a better and more > > > stable world", > > > > > > > > > there is no denying the fact that the trans-Atlantic > alliance > > > is under > > > > > > > > > tremendous pressure as the western allies try to look for > > > solutions that > > > > > > > > > would create conditions for a quiet withdrawal. 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