Hollywood, I was just busting your balls... your point was obvious.
However, I don't entirely agree with you that this anti-American talk is "complete bullshit". Efforts by this administration to marginalize or suppress dissenting opinions are decidedly not American behavior. Apparently, while YOU understand that one can disagree with the President, the President does not. On Oct 23, 6:29 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > frankg, > > My point should be obvious. One can diisagree with what the President > is doing as vocally as one wishes, one can also approve and support > the president as vocally as one wishes. As long as the law is obeyed > and ALL parties rights respected NO ONE is acting in an Anti-AMERICAN > manner. > All this "Anti-American" talk is complete bullshit. > > On Oct 23, 4:09 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Actually Hollywood, what you’re doing is citing some of the benefits > > of being an American. That you take advantage of those benefits does > > not prove you’re not anti-American. > > > On Oct 23, 3:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Zeb, > > > > Sorry you don't believe in freedom, or the 1st Ammendmendment to the > > > Constituion. Not my problem. > > > > On Oct 23, 1:44 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Rather simplistic and really not helpful where this thread is > > > > concerned. > > > > > On Oct 23, 12:45 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > To be American is to have the absolute RIGHT to think differently, > > > > > believe differently, act differently so long as you obey the law and > > > > > respect the rights of others while doing so. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 11:27 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > There is no text book definition of "what is an American." However, > > > > > > for most people it means what they perceive America and Americans to > > > > > > be, in general. The reason many people believe Obama to be "anti- > > > > > > American" is because he doesn't like what many people believe > > > > > > America > > > > > > to be. His wife doesn't either. They resent many of the > > > > > > institutions, > > > > > > associations and policies, both domestic and international, that > > > > > > define this country for many people. It is not hard to understand > > > > > > where this derision comes from when you examine Barack and > > > > > > Michelle's > > > > > > associates and their philosophies over the years. > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 5:33 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It could be Obama is not nti-American!? He is > > > > > > > however > > > > > > > pro-socialist which makes him anti-American. > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 4:49 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > « Obama and Ahmadinejad — the Love > > > > > > > > Song<http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/10/18/obama-and-ahmadinehad-the-love...> > > > > > > > > > The gay agenda > > > > > > > > <http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/10/18/the-gay-agenda/> » > > > > > > > > > Is Barack Obama anti-American? > > > > > > > > *UPDATED*<http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/10/18/is-barack-obama-anti-american/> > > > > > > > > > Bookworm <http://www.bookwormroom.com/author/bookworm/> on Oct > > > > > > > > 18 2009 at > > > > > > > > 12:48 pm | Filed under: > > > > > > > > Anti-Americanism<http://www.bookwormroom.com/category/anti-americanism/>, > > > > > > > > Barack Obama > > > > > > > > <http://www.bookwormroom.com/category/barack-obama/>, > > > > > > > > Freedom<http://www.bookwormroom.com/category/freedom/> > > > > > > > > > 23 <http://tweetmeme.com/story/219069223/> > > > > > > > > > tweets <http://tweetmeme.com/story/219069223/> > > > > > > > > > retweet > > > > > > > > > A couple of weeks ago, I included in a post the statement that > > > > > > > > Barack Obama > > > > > > > > is anti-American. A dear and respected friend suggested that I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > exaggerating. Obama may have a different vision of or goal for > > > > > > > > America, he > > > > > > > > said, but that’s scarcely the same as being anti-American. > > > > > > > > I’ve been > > > > > > > > thinking that over for a while and, after a lot of mental give > > > > > > > > and take > > > > > > > > about what it means to be “anti-” anything, have now decided > > > > > > > > that Barack > > > > > > > > Obama is indeed anti-American. > > > > > > > > > Everything has a fundamental essence, a quality that makes it > > > > > > > > uniquely > > > > > > > > itself. Take an orange, for example. It’s not only citrus > > > > > > > > fruit, *it’s an > > > > > > > > orange colored *citrus fruit. Horticulturists can alter its > > > > > > > > size, its > > > > > > > > texture, it’s sweetness, and the purity of its orange color, > > > > > > > > but it still > > > > > > > > remains an orange because that color is its definition. Change > > > > > > > > the color, > > > > > > > > however, and suddenly, you have the un-orange, the anti-orange. > > > > > > > > You have > > > > > > > > something completely different that no longer contains within > > > > > > > > it the essence > > > > > > > > of the original fruit. Lose the essence and you lose the > > > > > > > > orange. > > > > > > > > > America has an essence too, and that essence is liberty. > > > > > > > > America since its > > > > > > > > inception has been defined by liberty, both the liberty of the > > > > > > > > individual > > > > > > > > and the liberty of the nation. Individual liberty means that > > > > > > > > Americans > > > > > > > > should be subject to minimal government constraints. The state > > > > > > > > exists to > > > > > > > > serve the individual (commerce, transportation, security), not > > > > > > > > to control > > > > > > > > the individual. That’s why the Bill of Rights focuses so > > > > > > > > closely on > > > > > > > > individual freedoms: the freedom to speak, the freedom to > > > > > > > > write, the > > > > > > > > freedom to worship, the freedom to defend oneself with arms, > > > > > > > > the freedom > > > > > > > > from searches and seizures, etc. Liberty also extends to the > > > > > > > > nation. Both > > > > > > > > the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are > > > > > > > > replete with > > > > > > > > examples of the Founders’ absolute obsession with national > > > > > > > > sovereignty. > > > > > > > > Just recently, we’ve been reminded of the fact that the > > > > > > > > Founders didn’t even > > > > > > > > want the appearance of impropriety and the risk of influence, > > > > > > > > since they > > > > > > > > specifically prohibited foreign emoluments for our presidents. > > > > > > > > > Despite blunders of enormous magnitude (slavery, the treatment > > > > > > > > of Native > > > > > > > > Americans, and the imprisonment of American Japanese), > > > > > > > > Americans have, for > > > > > > > > the most part, taken these freedoms with the utmost > > > > > > > > seriousness. We are a > > > > > > > > nation “of the people, by the people and for the people.” We > > > > > > > > have not > > > > > > > > allowed ourselves to be ruled by tyrannies, dictators or > > > > > > > > bureaucracies. We > > > > > > > > like our taxes low and our freedoms high. In the past 100 > > > > > > > > years, when we > > > > > > > > fight wars, we do not fight wars to conquer other people, we > > > > > > > > fight wars to > > > > > > > > free other people from tyrannies. Those on the Left who sneer > > > > > > > > at our > > > > > > > > “imperialist ventures” implicitly side with Hitler, with the > > > > > > > > North Koreans, > > > > > > > > with the Communist North Vietnamese, and with Saddam Hussein > > > > > > > > (mass murderer > > > > > > > > of his own people). While ordinary Americans shed blood so > > > > > > > > that others on > > > > > > > > foreign shores can live free, the Left cheers on those who > > > > > > > > would deny their > > > > > > > > own citizens (or the citizens of conquered nations) the same > > > > > > > > freedoms we > > > > > > > > unthinkingly enjoy. > > > > > > > > > All the freedoms I’ve discussed can very quickly be distilled > > > > > > > > into a single > > > > > > > > essence, *an American essence*: American individuals are free > > > > > > > > from control > > > > > > > > by and fear of their own government, and the American nation is > > > > > > > > free from > > > > > > > > control by other nations. > > > > > > > > > Barack Obama is anti-American because he wants to change this > > > > > > > > American > > > > > > > > essence. His domestic policy is directed at increasing > > > > > > > > government control > > > > > > > > in every area, which decreases individual liberty. Here’s an > > > > > > > > incomplete > > > > > > > > bullet-point list of his anti-liberty goals on the home front: > > > > > > > > > - He wants to remove any last vestiges of the marketplace > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > individuals’ control over their own health care, and put the > > > > > > > > government > > > > > > > > entirely in charge. > > > > > > > > - He’s willing to give government control over American > > > > > > > > businesses (i.e., > > > > > > > > Bank takeover ands Government Motors). > > > > > > > > - His administration, while on record as opposing the > > > > > > > > Fairness Doctrine, > > > > > > > > is aggressively exploring a backdoor regulatory > > > > > > > > scheme<http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1484968/obama_and_the_fairne...>that > > > > > > > > would have precisely the same practical effect as the Fairness > > > > > > > > Doctrine: it would impose government restrictions on > > > > > > > > content, rather than > > > > > > > > allowing the market (that means us, the consumers) to > > > > > > > > control content. > > > > > > > > - His FCC wants to control the > > > > > > > > internet<http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/new_fcc_chairman_targets_inter...>, > > > > > > > > which is a humming beehive of free speech, much of it > > > > > > > > critical of Obama. > > > > > > > > - Although he’s mostly erased the record, his dream is to > > > > > > > > create a > > > > > > > > civilian national security > > > > > > > > force<http://forthardknox.com/2008/07/16/say-what-a-400b-national-security-...>, > > > > > > > > subordinate to the administration, which would be larger > > > > > > > > than the American > > > > > > > > military. The military, please note, is controlled by the > > > > > > > > Constitution and > > > > > > > > has traditionally existed as a separate entity from any > > > > > > > > government. > > > > > > > > - He wants to take away the right to bear arms. He’ll pay > > > > > > > > lip service to > > > > > > > > supporting the Second Amendment, but his fundamental goal is > > > > > > > > to use > > > > > > > > government to remove arms from > > > > > > > > individuals<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR200...>. > > > > > > > > I’ve never held a gun in my life, but I know that the > > > > > > > > Founders understood > > > > > > > > that, for individuals, their single biggest defense against > > > > > > > > an overreaching > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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