The governments of Venezuela and Israel caused these problems for their people. Some in Venezuela will the lose the money these tourists were going to spend with them and some in Israel will be deprived of their vacation because governments act like children. As much power as possible should be kept out of the grimey little fingers of governments.
On Oct 30, 1:27 pm, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > unable to make the fine > distinctions between people who travel freely as they have a right to > do > where they are invited, > --- > there are some people who are NOT welcome to come to the USA > regardless of who invites them > > and people who or culpable in using the state to tax > population to give them benefits as "illegal aliens" > --- > let The Trail of Tears II begin!!! > > States have no right to say I cannot rent a home in Mexico City > ---- > Mexico can keep you out > their country - their decision > > or take a > job in Mumbai > ---- > the feds can and should > we must insure that our citizens will put the USA first > do you know how many Israeli spies sit in our prisons? > > On Oct 30, 11:02 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Nope you are both morons though of different species > > > silly holly woodhead is willing to defend anti-semitism as long as a leftist > > does it > > > you are simply a nativist bigot it seems unable to make the fine > > distinctions between people who travel freely as they have a right to do > > where they are invited, and people who or culpable in using the state to tax > > population to give them benefits as "illegal aliens" > > > States have no right to say I cannot rent a home in Mexico City or take a > > job in Mumbai > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > Everyone has the moral right to freedom of travel anywhere where the > > > homeowner or employer invites them > > > --- > > > hogwash > > > > it's attitudes like this that allows jews to be nation within > > > themselves regardless of where they live > > > > our country - our laws - our decisions > > > > btw - you owe HW an apology - fucktard > > > > On Oct 30, 9:44 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "They" who is they they you fat fucktard > > > > > Your usual complete moronic conceptual confusion > > > > > You pathetic Obamanoid turds are no defending anti-semites. I am sure > > > > you > > > > will be calling for gassing Jewish doctors by the time you finish with > > > your > > > > retareded health care proposals > > > > > Chavez does not own the country; it is not his plantation; he has no > > > right > > > > to say who visits whom > > > > > Your fascism is showing you shit headed monkey > > > > > Everyone has the moral right to freedom of travel anywhere where the > > > > homeowner or employer invites them > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Hollywood <[email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > Bruce, > > > > > > It's their country. They can keep out whomever they wish, for any > > > > > reason they wish. Each country has a perfect right to set their own > > > > > rules. For example, if I want to go to Cuba as a tourist MY country > > > > > will give me a ration of shit about it. That's the way it goes. > > > > > > On Oct 30, 6:55 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2009/10/venezuela-doesnt-want-isra... > > > > > > > Thursday, > > > > > > 29 October 2009 > > > > > > > Venezuela Doesn't Want > > > > > > Israeli Tourists > > > > > > > by Nissan > > > > > > Ratzlav-Katz > > > > > > Follow > > > > > > Israel news on and . > > > > > > > (IsraelNN.com) Venezuela, under President Hugo > > > > > > Chavez, is taking additional steps to deter Israelis from visiting > > > the > > > > > > country. > > > > > > An Israeli tour group slated to visit Venezuela was forced to cancel > > > its > > > > > > trip > > > > > > this week due to unreasonable demands placed on the would-be > > > tourists. > > > > > > The group of 13 Israelis was set to fly to > > > > > > Venezuela in coming days, with lodging, tours and flights already > > > > > arranged > > > > > > by an > > > > > > Israeli travel company, Echo Outdoor Touring Ltd. When Echo > > > > > > requested > > > > > > tourist > > > > > > visas for its clients, the demands of the Venezuelan government > > > placed an > > > > > > insurmountable barrier that ultimately led to the cancellation of > > > > > > the > > > > > trip. > > > > > > The difficulties began with the absence of a > > > > > > Venezuelan diplomatic presence in Israel. In January of this year, > > > > > Venezuela > > > > > > > expelled Israel's ambassador from the country and cut diplomatic > > > > > relations. > > > > > > Israel responded by expelling Venezuela's ambassador to Israel. > > > > > > Under > > > the > > > > > > current circumstances, Israelis seeking a Venezuelan visa must apply > > > > > through > > > > > > a > > > > > > consulate outside Israel.In its efforts to secure the necessary > > > travel > > > > > > documents, Echo contacted Venezuelan embassies and diplomatic > > > personnel > > > > > in > > > > > > Kenya, Spain, Greece, Italy, Germany and Colombia, as well as > > > appealing > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > Venezuelan Foreign Ministry. > > > > > > As Echo CEO Ronen Raz told Arutz Sheva > > > > > > Radio, "It is an accepted procedure, when there is no consulate in > > > Israel > > > > > of > > > > > > > a country that requires visas, we simply send the passports abroad > > > and > > > > > > receive > > > > > > the visas." In the case of Venezuela, Raz continued, the initial > > > reply > > > > > from > > > > > > that > > > > > > nation's Foreign Ministry was that such an arrangement was not > > > possible. > > > > > > However, after lengthy negotiations, the > > > > > > Venezuelans agreed to accept the Israelis' visa applications in the > > > > > > Venezuelan > > > > > > embassy in Amman, Jordan. "There, to our surprise, they demanded > > > > > > that > > > we > > > > > > appear > > > > > > in person with a pile of documentation in order to receive the > > > visas," > > > > > Raz > > > > > > said. > > > > > > "There are those who are afraid to travel to Jordan." > > > > > > Requested documents included a letter in English > > > > > > from each traveler's place of employment, affirming his or her > > > employment > > > > > > status, original bank statements going back three months, an > > > > > > English-language > > > > > > medical affirmation of health, and more. > > > > > > Several days of what Raz called "ping-pong" with > > > > > > the Venezuelan authorities ensued, including the Echo CEO calling on > > > his > > > > > > personal connections in the Latin American country. Nonetheless, as > > > > > noted, > > > > > > the > > > > > > trip had to be called off due to the > > > > > > The trip had > > > > > > to be called off due the excessive demands and inflexibility of the > > > > > > Venezuelan > > > > > > authorities. > > > > > > excessive > > > > > > demands and inflexibility of the Venezuelan authorities when it came > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > Israeli tour group. > > > > > > "The company had no choice but to cancel the trip > > > > > > and return the travelers' money to them, which meant absorbing a > > > large > > > > > > financial > > > > > > loss," an Echo statement explained. "As a result of the difficulties > > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > our way by the government [in Venezuela] - difficulties which never > > > > > existed > > > > > > while there was an embassy in Israel - we have no choice but to > > > conclude > > > > > > that > > > > > > these difficulties are a result of the political situation in the > > > country > > > > > > and > > > > > > their only purpose is to prevent Israeli travelers from getting > > > there." > > > > > > The company has decided to suspend further trips > > > > > > to Venezuela until the binational relations with Israel are > > > > > > restored. > > > > > > Iran is a Different Story > > > > > > In the > > > > > > case of Iran, however, the matter is quite different, according to > > > > > Israeli > > > > > > sources. In July, an Israeli diplomat in Latin America, Dorit > > > > > > Shavit, > > > > > > told theJewish News Agency of Argentina (AJN) that Venezuela is > > > issuing > > > > > > fake documents to Iranians to help facilitate their travel in the > > > region. > > > > > > "With these documents, they don't need a visa to > > > > > > enter any other country in Latin America.... No tourist enjoys these > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > and nobody knows what these Iranian citizens are doing," she added. > > > > > > Israeli officials have criticized Venezuela's > > > > > > President Chavez for his support of Iran's nuclear program, his > > > support > > > > > of > > > > > > Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and his outspoken condemnation > > > > > > of > > > > > > Israel. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > > > > > Messages in this topic > > > > > > < > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/message/9856.. > > > > > .>( > > > > > > 1) Reply (via web post) > > > > > > < > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/post;_ylc=X3.. > > > > > .>| > > > > > > Start > > > > > > a new topic > > > > > > < > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/post;_ylc=X3.. > > > > > .> > > > > > > Messages< > > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/messages;_yl.. > > > .> > > > > > > Subscribe: [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: [email protected] > > > > > > > NB - The Libertarian Alliance does not necessarily approve of the > > > above > > > > > > message. > > > > > > [image: Yahoo! > > > > > > Groups]< > > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcDY3NmppBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycEl.. > > > .> > > > > > > Change settings via the > > > > > > Web< > > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/join;_ylc=X3.. > > > > > .>(Yahoo! > > > > > > ID required) > > > > > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily > > > > > > Digest< > > > > [email protected]?subject=email+delivery:+Digest > > > > > >| > > > > > > Switch > > > > > > format to Traditional< > > > > [email protected]?subject=change+delivery+format:+Traditional > > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > > > < > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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