VT,
Of course by " reform " you mean " redistribution of wealth " OR
stealing . Right ? !
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On Nov 11, 12:55 am, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have you reported your relatives who are committing Medicare fraud?
> No?
>
> The Fringe calls monitoring such abuse 'Rationing'.
>
> The thing about your rebuttal is that you ignore the obvious.
>
> With Health insurance there would be no reason to use
> the Emergency room for basic medical care.
>
> But thanks for enlightening us all on what you think
> is economically exceptable and what is not. It is OK for your
> family to steal from the Government but wrong to try to reform it.
>
> On Nov 10, 11:20 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes obviously Sean
>
> > But that is not what you wrote in your little fart
>
> > And so then you are claiming one out of every 9 people visits an emergency
> > room 3 times a year
>
> > Which suggests that lots of people are going to emergency rooms just because
> > they can, and that what we should really be doing is no longer providing a
> > free ambulance ride to anyone who calls for an ambulance every week to
> > provide themselves with excitement
>
> > I have elderly relatives who go to the doctor as often as possible just for
> > fun, and medicare pays for it
>
> > You are OBVIOUSLY too stupid to understand the first thing about medical
> > economics,or economics in general
>
> > Your delusion that you are better educated or informed than me is simply
> > part of your general nature as a subhuman piece of shit
>
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:16 PM, VT Sean Lewis
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > No that would be VISITS to emergency rooms, not that 100 Million
> > > people use the emergency room a year.
>
> > > Now I know why no one is responding, Fox News is not giving talking
> > > points on the issue so you all don't know what to say or think.
>
> > > On Nov 10, 10:36 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > poorwhore
>
> > > > 100million people,1 outof 3 people, visit the emergency room a year?
>
> > > > more proof that Obamanoids are monkeys not people
>
> > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:08 PM, VT Sean Lewis <
> > > [email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > The Cost Of Insurance Reform VS No Reform
> > > > > is $1 Trillion VS $1.5 Trillion.
>
> > > > > Sean Lewis
> > > > > November 10,2009
>
> > > > > I was curious what the actual numbers were, so I did a
> > > > > Google search on the issues.
>
> > > > > What was the average cost of an Emergency Room Visit?
> > > > > Answer: $1,000
>
> > > > > How Many People used Emergency Rooms per year?
> > > > > Answer 100,000,000,000 a year.
>
> > > > > How Many People are uninsured?
> > > > > On average %15.
>
> > > > > This is just a quick thumbnail comparison, but it does give a
> > > > > better idea of what the fuss is all about.
>
> > > > > Each year, more than 100 million visits are made to emergency rooms
> > > > > around the country. At an average cost of $1,000 a visit, the annual
> > > > > price tag for ER care tops more than a billion dollars. And to make
> > > > > matters worse, most of these visits aren't even real emergencies.
>
> > > > >http://www.myoptumhealth.com/portal/Information/item/Avoiding+the+Hig.
> > > ..
>
> > > > > Analyzing data from the Community Tracking Study Household Surveys,
> > > > > researchers found that uninsured individuals accounted for 15.5
> > > > > percent of emergency department visits in 1996-1997, but only 14.5
> > > > > percent of visits in 2003-2004. During the same period, the
> > > > > proportion of visits by higher income people (equal to or greater than
> > > > > 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level) increased from 21.9 percent
> > > > > to 29 percent. The proportion of visits by those whose usual source
> > > > > of care was a physician’s office rose from 52.4 percent to 59
> > > > > percent. Overall emergency department visits rose from 90.3 million
> > > > > in 1996 to 113.9 million in 2004, an increase of 26 percent.
> > > > >http://www.acep.org/pressroom.aspx?id=37562
>
> > > > > Health care reform, if it passes, will cost about $1 trillion over the
> > > > > next 10 years. Negotiators in the Senate and House are now saying
> > > > > they've winnowed the cost down to "only" $900 billion or so. Where
> > > > > will that money come from? Look in the mirror.
>
> > > > >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/10/business/moneywatch/main523.
> > > ..
>
> > > > > For those who do not understand what I just posted
>
> > > > > Currently the uninsured who use emergency rooms for medical treatment
> > > > > is about 15% of
> > > > > all emergency room visits of about $150,000,000, 000 a year.
>
> > > > > The cost of health insurance reform is about $100,000,000,000 a year.
>
> > > > > So the savings to tax payers and Corporate America is about
> > > > > $50,000,000,000
> > > > > a year, and this is calculating the average Emergency room visit costs
> > > > > $1,000.
>
> > > > > So the savings over 10 years for American taxpayers and Corporations
> > > > > is
> > > > > $500,000,000,000.
>
> > > > > This does not include the lowering of premiums and the lowering of
> > > > > medical costs
> > > > > now that both hospitals and Insurance companies are no longer passing
> > > > > on the costs of the uninsured to thier insured customers.
>
> > > > > In addition morally we need to stop the preventable deaths of 18,000
> > > > > Americans
> > > > > a year who do not have health insurance because they can't afford it
> > > > > or because
> > > > > they have an uninsured precondition.
>
> > > > > My Sunday column looks at health care reform through the prism of
> > > > > Nikki White, a young woman from Tennessee. She became too sick with
> > > > > Lupus to work — and then lost her health insurance, and then died
> > > > > because of lack of medical care. We may know intellectually that
> > > > > 18,000 Americans die each year because they don’t have insurance, but
> > > > > to confront one such person is still heartbreaking. And I just can’t
> > > > > believe that we will let this opportunity for health reform slip
> > > > > through our fingers, so that Americans like Nikki continue to die
> > > > > needlessly every 30 minutes.
>
> > >http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/nikki-white-and-health-care/
>
> > > > > For me this is a no brainier do the Health Insurance reform, it IS
> > > > > cost effective.,- Hide quoted text -
>
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