My problem with the list from the 1960 Dem platform is that what they 
call rights I would call opportunities.  You should have to opportunity 
to attain all those goals.  It is then up to you whether you are willing 
to put forth the effort to do so.  That is something I agree with and 
that to me is the conservative platform.



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I just went and read the article mentioned on HuffPo.

The thing that really surprises me is in the comments. The one by 
MsMassachusetts posted at 09:57. The part that gets me is where she 
claims that it is a RIGHT to have health care and gay marriage.

I must have missed that day in class because I sure don't remember the 
Constitution ever saying anything about that.

Where do people come up with these justifications?
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It's one of the oldest tool in the demagogue's playbook. You convince a 
specific group of idiots that they are entitled to something they want, 
like a free saxophone. You blame another group of people (i.e. Jews, 
Rich White People, Conservatives, Insurance Companies) for denying them 
their basic right to a free saxophone, and vow that you will fight to 
your last breath to insure that every man, woman, and child who needs a 
free saxophone gets one. The brilliant part is that you never have to 
really give the people their saxophones. As long as you can be seen as 
"fighting the good fight" against that evil oppressive saxophone hating 
force, you never have to deliver on your promises.
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I think this has something to do with the leftist concept of "positive 
liberty." According to WikiPedia, "positive liberty refers to having the 
power and resources to act to fulfill one's own potential, as opposed to 
negative liberty, which refers to freedom from restraint."

Currently, leftists believe it is the government's obligation to provide 
everyone with the power and resources they need. That means, in effect, 
that if you have less money or education or health care than I do, then 
the government should give you money, education and health care. Only 
then can we participate as true "equals" in society, the economy, and 
government.
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"Positive Liberty" hmm? O-Kay.

Even with your Wiki defintion that makes no sense to me. Why don't you 
define Positive Liberty in your own words? for giggles? I am confused. :-)
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Wikipedia? Positive liberty? What a bunch of, pardon me, complete bullshit.

You have freedom and rights, there is no government obligation to give 
you any damned thing. What can the government give you? Nothing, they 
can produce nothing, Anything they give they must take and that is 
making a slave of the one deprived of their property or labor.

Again I refer to Ayn Rand.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=a... 
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"The Democratic Party platform of 1960 summarizes the switch boldly and 
explicitly. It declares that a Democratic Administration "will reaffirm 
the economic bill of rights which Franklin Roosevelt wrote into our 
national conscience sixteen years ago."

Bear clearly in mind the meaning of the concept of "rights" when you 
read the list which the platform offers:

"1. The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or 
shops or farms or mines of the nation.

"2. The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and 
recreation.

"3. The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return 
which will give him and his family a decent living.

"4. The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an 
atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by 
monopolies at home and abroad.

"5. The right of every family to a decent home.

"6. The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve 
and enjoy good health.

"7. The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, 
sickness, accidents and unemployment.

"8. The right to a good education."

A single question added to each of the above eight clauses would make 
the issue clear: At whose expense?

Jobs, food, clothing, recreation(!), homes, medical care, education, 
etc., do not grow in nature. These are man-made values---goods and 
services produced by men. Who is to provide them?

If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, 
it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave 
labor."
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