If uneducated immigrants who did not even use the same alphabet were able and are able to become citizens, then why should we make it easier than it already is? Makes no sense. If they are not willing to make the effort to become legal in the first place and then strive to become citizens of the country, why should we care?

jane smith wrote:
I don't think cracking down on immigration is necessarily a bad thing,
however I do think if it were easier to become a citizen it would
benefit our country.

1-it would increase the number of tax payers
2-it would provide people to fill the jobs many don't want to and
create more jobs for educated Americans in higher positions
3-having more minimum wage workers would allow manufacturers to stay
in our country because as of now we are pricing ourselves out of the
market
4-it would also help the stock market eventually because of the
industry success in US and create more investors
5-and finally it would help the bank situation because the majority of
illegal immigrants don't deposit their money in banks they stuff it
under their mattresses or send it back to their home countries, and if
their families were able to be here they wouldn't have to.

On May 11, 6:13 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
From your post:

"police would have to stop and question anyone they suspect of being in this
country without legal authorization."

It remains a lie.

Evey adult stopped for any reason must already satisfy this statute

"1. *A valid (insert any state) driver license*.
2.  *A valid (insert any state) nonoperating identification license*.
3.  A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4.  If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States
before issuance, *any valid United States federal, state or local government
issued identification*.

 and it has been so for many years. It is already the case in your home town
as well. They simply do not proceed to ask you your immigration status....
but then yes they do... as when no ID is forthcoming and a citation is to be
issued they do "take you in" and "run" the name you give them through
CODIS.... same result.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:49 PM, plainolamerican
<[email protected]>wrote:



so, M. Johnson
are you an American?
or are you an illegal immigrant?
or are you a libtard moonbat?
On May 8, 8:09 am, "M. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote:
How Immigration Crackdowns BackfireThe trouble with Arizona's draconian
new lawSteve Chapman| April 22, 2010
Arizona legislators are fed up with being terrorized by illegal
immigrants, and they have passed a law to get tough. Under the measure,
passed this week and sent to the governor, police would have to stop and
question anyone they suspect of being in this country without legal
authorization.
The bill passed after the fatal shooting of Robert Krentz, a 58-year-old
rancher whose killer apparently entered illegally from Mexico. Pinal County
Sheriff Paul Babeu says police are also under siege: "We've had numerous
officers that have been killed by illegal immigrants in Arizona."
Even Sen. John McCain, once a supporter of immigration reform, has called
for the immediate placement of 3,000 National Guard soldiers along the
border.
It's no surprise that Arizonans resent the recent influx of unauthorized
foreigners, some of them criminals. But there is less here than meets the
eye.
The state has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants. But contrary to
myth, they have not brought an epidemic of murder and mayhem with them.
Surprise of surprises, the state has gotten safer.
Over the last decade, the violent crime rate has dropped by 19 percent,
while property crime is down by 20 percent. Crime has also declined in the
rest of the country, but not as fast as in Arizona.
Babeu's claim about police killings came as news to me. When I called his
office to get a list of victims, I learned there has been only one since the
beginning of 2008deeply regrettable, but not exactly a trend.
Truth is, illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native
Americans. Most come here to work, and in their desire to stay, they are
generally afraid to do anything that might draw the attention of armed
people wearing badges.
El Paso, Texas, is next door to the exceptionally violent Ciudad Juarez,
Mexico, and easily accessible to illegal entry. Yet it is one of the safest
cities in the United States.
In 2007, scholars Ruben Rumbaut and Walter Ewing investigated the issue
for the Immigration Policy Center and concluded that "if immigrants suddenly
disappeared and the country became immigrant-free (and illegal-immigrant
free), crime rates would likelyincrease."
That's not to say Arizonans don't have a right to be upset when Mexicans
trespass across private land on a regular basis. But you could solve that
problem by making it easier for them to immigrate legally.
It's also worth remembering that this used to be a rare phenomenon. What
made it common was not a new avalanche of people coming to the United States
without permission. It was a federal offensive to intercept them in major
border cities where they used to arrive.
"Closing the old entry points diverted them into places which didn't have
many undocumented immigrants before," Princeton University sociologist
Douglas Massey told me. Instead of sneaking into San Diego or El Paso, they
are prone to entering somewhere elseoften in the Arizona desert, where the
chance of being caught is lower.
Turning the border into a 2,000-mile replica of the Berlin Wall may sound
like a simple cure for the problem. But besides being hugely expensive, it
would have effects the advocates would not relish.
How so? Massey says the number of people coming illegally has not risen
appreciably in the last couple of decades. But the number staying has
climbed, because anyone who leaves faces a harder task returning.
Had the government not cracked down at the border, he says, "the
undocumented population would be half what it is now." A fence intended to
keep illegal immigrants out is serving beautifully to keep them in.
Assigning local police to enforce federal immigration laws would also
have unhealthy side effects. The Major Cities Chiefs Association,
representing 56 police departments, says it hinders law enforcement by
deterring members of immigrant communities from cooperating with cops.
Last year, Police Chief George Gascon of Mesa, Ariz., (now chief in San
Francisco) told a congressional committee that in some cases, this approach
"is setting the police profession back to the 1950s and '60s, when police
officers were sometimes viewed in minority communities as the enemy."
If there is anything we've learned about getting tough on illegal
immigration, it's that it rarely works as intended. Like punching a wall, it
may feel good for a moment, but it hurts a lot longer.
http://reason.com/archives/2010/04/22/how-immigration-crackdowns-bac
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