Don't drink the MJ ( Moonbattery Jones ) kool aid ! MJ ! Are you any relation to Jim Jones ? Don't drown in that kool aid of folly you have presented.
*********************************************************************************************************************************** On Sep 8, 10:08 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Geez, there is so much misinformation,spin, and out of context smear written > in "MJ's" preface as well as Anthony Gregory's diatribe, one has to wonder > if they were here in the United States during the 1980s, 1990s and even the > New Milennium, or whether they were smoking the crack rock for the last > thirty years. > > One word, four syllables: "*Moonbattery*"..... > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:24 AM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > *"Then we had the Bush years. The conservative movement became almost > > completely enthralled with the very worst of what government is capable of: > > mass murder. The American right began to take on the character of a truly > > totalitarian movement. Calls for deporting dissenters, shutting down the > > press, nuking tens of millions of people, banning Islam and other such > > despotic proposals were heard all over talk radio. At the height of Bush’s > > power and prestige, it almost looked like liberty was doomed in America, > > thanks primarily to the same crowd that gave us Reagan, the Contract with > > America and the defeat of Al Gore." > > > **The Persistence of Red-State Fascism > > *by Anthony Gregory > > > It is natural for libertarians to identify more with the side out of power. > > In a democratic system, those not wielding government force are, > > categorically, less guilty of crimes against individual liberty. Their > > rhetoric tends to be much better. An appeal to constitutionalism, founding > > principles or balanced budgets is much more often heard from those not at > > the reins of the state. It is music to libertarians’ ears, even when we know > > the song was ripped off and is being lip-synced. > > > The pattern has been this way for a long time. Under Clinton, the right > > condemned federal welfare, police abuses, internationalism in foreign > > policy, and almost all erosions of the constitutional limits on the central > > state. The 1990s right flirted with revisionist history and a radical > > rethinking of the post-New Deal government, helping libertarians to find at > > least some common ground. The Kosovo War, in particular, demonstrated that > > the leftist attachment to peace was an illusion and that perhaps as much > > headway could be made on war issues in conservative circles as could be made > > anywhere. > > > Then we had the Bush years. The conservative movement became almost > > completely enthralled with the very worst of what government is capable of: > > mass murder. The American right began to take on the character of a truly > > totalitarian movement. Calls for deporting dissenters, shutting down the > > press, nuking tens of millions of people, banning Islam and other such > > despotic proposals were heard all over talk radio. At the height of Bush’s > > power and prestige, it almost looked like liberty was doomed in America, > > thanks primarily to the same crowd that gave us Reagan, the Contract with > > America and the defeat of Al Gore. Lew Rockwell’s "The Reality of > > Red-State > > Fascism,"<http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/red-state-fascism.html>as > > well as many other works by him and by others on this site and elsewhere, > > perfectly summed up the problem of the time. > > > Things have swung back somewhat. Conservatives now talk about the Founding > > Fathers again. They have put up a noble resistance to Obamacare, Cap and > > Trade and the rest of the administration’s truly terrible domestic schemes. > > Unfortunately, they fail to go all the way in condemning domestic socialism, > > but it is a start. Conservatives have even taken an interest in > > nullification and other radical doctrines of classical liberalism. At times, > > it seems like they are all that is standing between our imperfect state of > > freedom and the total socialization of America. Rightwingers are even > > becoming skeptical of "nation-building" in Afghanistan. Ann Coulter of all > > people has become a qualified dove, all the while Keith Olbermann, Rachel > > Maddow and the other leaders of progressivism have become fixated on > > demonizing the tea parties, hysterically prophesizing the rise of racist > > militias, and championing the national security > > state<http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory198.html>. > > > But, tragically, the rightwing is still locked into its post-9/11 mentality > > – which is to say its Cold War stance or even its classical attachment to > > the *ancien régime* <http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard33.html>. > > It is as Hobbesian as ever. It is dedicated to domestic freedom in theory > > but with more than a huge blind spot on questions of social order and > > especially national security. While today’s conservatives are in substantial > > areas better than the managerial progressives on the left, they are hardly a > > welcome alternative overall. Every indication suggests that when they regain > > power, they will be even worse than they were under Bush. > > > Not infrequently in Obama’s America, the conservative movement seems so on > > point, so focused on battling the federal government at home, so close to > > adopting Jeffersonianism or even Misesian radicalism, that we who love > > liberty are almost tempted to root for them and not just against our common > > enemy, the statist progressive left. But then, like clockwork, practically > > the entire rightwing is whipped back into a frenzy of bloodthirstiness, > > intolerance, and belligerent nationalist collectivism. Whether it’s illegal > > immigrants or Muslims, such scapegoats serve to distract conservatives from > > their supposed goal of shrinking the state. And the distraction is not a > > minor matter – it speaks directly to what modern conservatism is still all > > about. > > > Consider the "Ground Zero Mosque" issue. The idea of religious tolerance > > should be sacred in America. If there is any reason to be patriotically > > proud of America’s legacy of freedom, religious freedom is at the top of the > > list. We were all taught as children how great America was in this regard. > > And, unlike some other examples of American exceptionalist propaganda, there > > is actually truth to this. We have no religious wars within our borders. We > > have no official state religion, thank God. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, > > atheists, Buddhists and others get along in nearly perfect harmony. This is > > the crown jewel of American liberty. > > > The rightwing, however, considers it "politically correct" or even > > "treasonous" to defend the right of Muslims to pray on their own private > > property. The explosion of hysteria over the Islamic Community Center in > > Manhattan was not, as some would have it, an example of political trivia > > taking over the national debate – it was rather an important national debate > > over a very fundamental issue on which Americans should by now be mostly > > united, but instead the rightwing clearly took the wrong side, showing their > > craven willingness to reject private property rights and the foundation of > > civilization simply to express their love of the U.S. government and their > > hatred of Islam. > > > Consider the very common conservative mentality here. The site of blowback > > in retaliation of U.S. war crimes – Ground Zero – has become "hallowed > > ground." To allow Muslims to build a mosque on their own property nearby > > would be a "victory" for "Islamofascism." This pits the American government > > against all Muslims in a religious war, where the U.S. is sacred and even > > Muslim Americans are denied the most basic of American freedoms. > > > Last weekend, Glenn Beck had half a million folks, many of them very well > > intentioned and understandably angry about the direction of our country, > > convene at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s > > famous speech. While I expected a mix of good and bad messages – Beck still > > has a love of the military state, but is also the highest-profile media > > personality to attack Woodrow Wilson regularly, which I consider a major > > point in his favor – what I saw was something else entirely. It was a > > religious revival, with ecumenical theism as the unifying principle. So long > > as you believed in God (or, as one speaker seemed to repeatedly put it, > > "gods") you would be welcome in the Beck extended family, regardless of your > > denomination. > > > But there was more to it than that. You must, above all else, accept the > > core elements of America’s secular civic religion. The Pilgrims and Native > > Americans were God’s "chosen people," as Beck said. The U.S. government, > > forcibly united under Lincoln, represents the hand of God on earth. The > > Civil Rights movement was also a holy, blessed and distinctly American > > endeavor. The whole event was a pseudo-religious mass prayer to the alleged > > U.S. values of egalitarianism, militarism, and soft theocracy. Everything > > good about America – which was tied inextricably to the federal government, > > its military wing and unifying power over the states and people – has God’s > > signature right on it. Sarah Palin’s speech was particularly awful, as she > > spoke of the righteous destiny of women since ancient times to see their > > children grow up and die for the holy state. > > > This is frightening stuff – the stuff of a theocratic national socialism, > > when taken to its extreme. This is not to say most of Beck’s fans are Nazis, > > or anything like that. But there is something at the core of modern > > conservatism that still contains the seed of the most wretched political > > horrors you can imagine. And we could reasonably worry that we have yet to > > see the worst from this bunch. In fact, Bush perhaps moderated some of the > > right’s worst impulses, in particular the explicit Islamophobia. With Obama > > as president, the right is looking for a political savior even more > > unambiguously hateful than the Bush regime. The culture war, too, has again > > reared its ugly head, with conservatives predictably neglecting the obvious > > solution of opposing state encroachments on their own families and cultural > > values, and instead politicizing > > ... > > read more » > > moonbat[2].jpg > 139KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
