*You fail to comprehend that Reid's vote was procedural, and it simply enables a future re-vote. * *Party members are not troops, and should not vote in a block to block, as the Grand Obsructionist Party and you appear to falsely believe.* ** *Wrong, yet again.*
On 9/27/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you can't get your own troops in line, then you are a loser. And Reid > voted against the bill also. > > > On 09/27/2010 04:06 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > *Wrong again. * > *Only two Democrats (from Arkansas) voted against DADT repeal. Blaming > Fifty nine Democrats for only two votes is false twisted prezel logic. * > ** > *The Fourty Obstructionist Republicans, led by John McCain, who all voted > against cloture are to blame for the failure of the bill, and they also put > the troops in harms way by voting against funding. * > > *The vote was 56-43.* > > * * > > > > On 9/27/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You blamed them for the loss on DADT but there were 37 Republican votes >> against. Not enough to obstruct. Why would this be any different. You >> keep playing this game and you keep losing. Open your eyes and see what is >> going on. It was the Dem votes in DADT that doomed it and it would be the >> Dem votes on this that would doom it. >> >> What you fail to see is that when you tack on legislation that has nothing >> to do with the main thrust of a bill, as exemplified by the DADT provision >> on the Pentagon budget bill and the Teddy Kennedy monument on the same bill, >> then people will vote against it because of these added provisions. Bring >> on the provisions as their own bill and see what the vote will be. DADT >> would probably have passed if Reid had not played games with his own bill - >> in fact he voted against it. Now he is trying to do it again. He will say >> it is a tax cut bill but wait and see what other krep provisions he adds on >> you will see why it would not pass as introduced. >> >> The game the Dems are trying to play is to get at least 1 Republican to >> vote for the legislation. Then they will portray the bill as having >> bi-partisan support as if there were multitudes of republicans who supported >> the krep. I would hope that the public is smart enough to see through these >> tricks that the Dems are trying to play out. Based on the current polls >> they are. >> >> >> On 09/27/2010 03:49 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> *NO!* >> *The absurd 60 vote filibuster rule gives the Republicans the ability to >> obstruct legislation, as they do over and over again. * >> ** >> *The Republicans, as usual, are to blame. >> * >> >> On 9/27/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I see we are hearing the usual krep from Tommy. Once again the Dems >>> have an absolute majority in the house. If they want to bring up the tax >>> cuts and voe on them there is nothing stopping them from doing this. >>> Instead because they are not sure if this is a winning bit of legislation or >>> not they choose to try to demonize the Republicans for supposedly stopping >>> them. Total krep but what else does one expect of this bunch of bozos in >>> the administration and Dem leadership in the House and Senate. Either >>> bring it up or not; don't look to blame others for your own deficiencies and >>> shortcomings. >>> >>> >>> On 09/27/2010 03:16 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> >>> White House, Dems see tax cut vote after election >>> >>> >>> WASHINGTON – The White House and Democratic leaders in Congress said >>> Sunday they would find a way to extend middle-class tax >>> cuts<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts;_ylt=AqNsZz4g198cegyL67kfPqJp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJoODFlNjM0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTI2L3VzX3RheF9jdXRzBHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3doaXRlaG91c2VkZQ--#>after >>> the November elections, unable to secure GOP backing before lawmakers >>> break to campaign. >>> >>> "One way or the other, we're going to get it done. And I believe the >>> pressure is going to build among the American people" said David Axelrod, >>> President Barack >>> Obama's<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts;_ylt=AqNsZz4g198cegyL67kfPqJp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJoODFlNjM0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTI2L3VzX3RheF9jdXRzBHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3doaXRlaG91c2VkZQ--#>top >>> political aide. >>> >>> House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., had suggested that a vote could be >>> held this coming week before lawmakers leave town for the elections. But her >>> deputy, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland, said Sunday that holding a >>> vote wouldn't matter because the legislation is still languishing in the >>> Senate under GOP objections. >>> >>> Both parties are using the delay in a vote on the fate of these George W. >>> Bush-era cuts at a time of record deficits as political ammunition this >>> election >>> season<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts;_ylt=AqNsZz4g198cegyL67kfPqJp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJoODFlNjM0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTI2L3VzX3RheF9jdXRzBHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3doaXRlaG91c2VkZQ--#> >>> . >>> >>> Democratic leaders have said they want to freeze tax rates for >>> individuals making up to $200,000 and for families earning up to $250,000. >>> Republicans, as well as some more conservative Democrats, want to extend all >>> of Bush's income tax >>> cuts<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts;_ylt=AqNsZz4g198cegyL67kfPqJp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJoODFlNjM0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTI2L3VzX3RheF9jdXRzBHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3doaXRlaG91c2VkZQ--#>permanently, >>> even for the wealthiest of Americans. >>> >>> Democrats think the climate for compromise will improve after the >>> election. They will still need at least one Republican vote in the Senate to >>> pass a bill. >>> >>> "We are for making sure that the middle-class Americans do not get a tax >>> increase. And we're going to make sure that happens," Hoyer said. >>> >>> Republicans say they want a chance to debate extending the tax cuts >>> beyond the middle class or else they will block the Democratic proposal. >>> >>> "If she's not willing to have a fair and open debate, she should not >>> count on our votes," House GOP Leader John >>> Boehner<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts;_ylt=AqNsZz4g198cegyL67kfPqJp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJoODFlNjM0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTI2L3VzX3RheF9jdXRzBHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3doaXRlaG91c2VkZQ--#>said >>> of Pelosi. >>> >>> Axelrod said that kind of strong-arm tactic will hurt Republicans in this >>> fall's election. >>> >>> "They're going to have to explain to their constituents why they're >>> holding up tax cuts for the middle class," Axelrod said. "And I think it's >>> an untenable position to say, "We're going to allow your taxes to go up on >>> January 1st unless the president agrees to give tax cuts to millionaires and >>> billionaires." >>> >>> The Senate's second-ranking Democrat said he hoped the atmosphere will >>> have changed after the election and the impassed ended. "Occasionally one >>> Republican will break ranks and help us," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. >>> >>> Still, Republicans have seized on the impasse in Congress by alleging >>> that Democrats are contributing to consumer uncertainty. >>> >>> "The Democrats have failed to lead this," said Rep. Kevin McCarthy, >>> R-Calif. "They are going to want to leave the House without dealing with it. >>> That uncertainty itself is keeping capital on the sidelines and keeping jobs >>> from being created in America." >>> >>> Boehner said that if the House leaves without blocking the tax >>> increases<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts;_ylt=AqNsZz4g198cegyL67kfPqJp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJoODFlNjM0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTI2L3VzX3RheF9jdXRzBHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3doaXRlaG91c2VkZQ--#>, >>> "it will be the most irresponsible thing that I've seen since I have been in >>> Washington, D.C." >>> >>> Axelrod spoke on ABC's "This Week." Hoyer, Boehner and McCarthy appeared >>> "Fox News Sunday." Durbin was on CNN's "State of the Union." >>> More: >>> >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts;_ylt=AqNsZz4g198cegyL67kfPqJp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJoODFlNjM0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTI2L3VzX3RheF9jdXRzBHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3doaXRlaG91c2VkZQ >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>> Have a great day, >>> Tommy >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. 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