Which committee are these 4 members of and which part of Congress are they members of. You are making even more of a fool of yourself than usual today. Following your logic then the candidate for senate from Delaware can be legitimately called a member of the Communist Party and Sen Byrd could, if alive, be legitimately called a member of the KKK which was something you went on and on about when it was brought up before. Are you now saying that those who mentioned Byrd as a KKK member were right and you were lying out of you a** then???

On 10/12/2010 04:31 PM, Tommy News wrote:


  Republican Socialists of America <http://www.openleft.com/diary/9607/>


    by: Paul Rosenberg <http://www.openleft.com/user/Paul%20Rosenberg>


      /Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 19:30/


So, John McCain has taken to calling Barack Obama a "socialist". Why? Because Obama wants to "redistribute" the wealth. Of course, /every/ time you tax someone, you redistribute wealth. And /every/ time that government spends some money that benefits someone, that, too, redistributes wealth. By McCain's criteria, every government that ever existed in human history was "socialist." You might think that's sort of a whacked-out extremist position, somewhere two football fields to the right of the John Birch Society. And you'd be right. Because by John McCain's standards, I'd like to introduce you to four of the most prominent members of the Republican Socialists of America:

Join me on the flip, and I'll tell about them.

Paul Rosenberg <http://www.openleft.com/userDiary.do;jsessionid=7A7EBCEC21784DF6661C7CD5B77BD12E?personId=470> :: Republican Socialists of America <http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=7A7EBCEC21784DF6661C7CD5B77BD12E?diaryId=9607>
*Theodore Roosevelt*

    *"I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a
    large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold"

          --John McCain, /NYT/, July 13, 2008
          
<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13mccain.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1225511512-OiVikJLMOn41HcT5EeWIfg&pagewanted=all>


    *

Where I come from, you'd never pass high school if you thought Teddy Roosevelt was a conservative. Sure, he was an imperialist. And he liked to conserve our wilderness areas. But he was in an almost constant state of war with the conservative bosses of the Republican Party, and when he felt that his protege, William Taft, had betrayed him by going over to their side after he left office in 1908, he ran against Taft on the Bull Moose ticket, and utterly /destroyed/ the Republicans, reducing them to third party status at the polls.

So, Teddy Roosevelt, a conservative? Not so much. In fact, when it came to socialism, *this is what Roosevelt said* <http://www.fullbooks.com/Theodore-Roosevelt-An-Autobiography-by9.html> in his autobiography:

    Because of things I have done on behalf of justice to the
    workingman, I have often been called a Socialist. Usually I have
    not taken the trouble even to notice the epithet. I am not afraid
    of names, and I am not one of those who fear to do what is right
    because some one else will confound me with partisans with whose
     principles I am not in accord. Moreover, I know that many
    American Socialists are high-minded and honorable citizens, who in
    reality are merely radical social reformers. They are oppressed by
    the brutalities and industrial injustices which we see everywhere
    about us. When I recall how often I have seen Socialists and
    ardent non-Socialists working side by side for some specific
    measure of social or industrial reform, and how I have found
    opposed to them on the side of privilege many shrill reactionaries
    who insist on calling all reformers Socialists, I refuse to be
    panic-stricken by having this title mistakenly applied to me.

So, it looks like Roosevelt would have voted for Obama, if he were still around today. And it looks that way even moreso, if think about his tax proposals. Although the income tax did not exist when he was President, Roosevelt was a firm proponent of it--as well as the estate tax. Talk about a tax-raiser, he was a tax-/creator/--or at least, he wanted to be. The following passages are from his *1907 State of the Union* <http://www.presidential-speeches.org/State-of-the-Union-1907-Theodore-Roosevelt.php>. First, on the income tax:

    When our tax laws are revised the question of an income tax and an
    inheritance tax should receive the careful attention of our
    legislators. In my judgment both of these taxes should be part of
    our system of Federal taxation. I speak diffidently about the
    income tax because one scheme for an income tax was declared
    unconstitutional by the Supreme Court; while in addition it is a
    difficult tax to administer in its practical working, and great
    care would have to be exercised to see that it was not evaded by
    the very men whom it was most desirable to have taxed, for if so
    evaded it would, of course, be worse than no tax at all; as the
    least desirable of all taxes is the tax which bears heavily upon
    the honest as compared with the dishonest man. Nevertheless, a
    graduated income tax of the proper type would be a desirable
    feature of Federal taxation, and it is to be hoped that one may be
    devised which the Supreme Court will declare  constitutional.

Next, on the inheretance tax:

    The inheritance tax, however, is both a far better method of
    taxation, and far more important for the purpose of having the
    fortunes of the country bear in proportion to their increase in
    size a corresponding increase and burden of taxation. The
    Government has the absolute right to decide as to the terms upon
    which a man shall receive a bequest or devise from another, and
    this point in the devolution of property is especially appropriate
    for the imposition of a tax. Laws imposing such taxes have
    repeatedly been placed upon the National statute books and as
    repeatedly declared constitutional by the courts; and these laws
    contained the progressive principle, that is, after a certain
    amount is reached the bequest or gift, in life or
    death, is increasingly burdened and the rate of taxation is
    increased in proportion to the remoteness of blood of the man
    receiving the bequest. These principles are recognized already in
    the leading civilized nations of the world....

    A heavy progressive tax upon a very large fortune is in no way
    such a tax upon thrift or industry as a like would be on a small
    fortune. No advantage comes either to the country as a whole or to
    the individuals inheriting the money by permitting the
    transmission in their entirety of the enormous fortunes which
    would be affected by such a tax; and as an incident to its
    function of revenue raising, such a tax would help to preserve a
    measurable equality of opportunity for the people of the
    generations growing to manhood.

Roosevelt goes on to sharply distinguish this from socialist proposals ("In your face, McCain!" as noted Roosevelt scholar Homer Simpson would say):

    We have not the slightest sympathy with that socialistic idea
    which would try to put laziness, thriftlessness and inefficiency
    on a par with industry, thrift and efficiency; which would strive
    to break up not merely private property, but what is far more
    important, the home, the chief prop upon which our whole
    civilization stands. Such a theory, if ever adopted, would mean
    the ruin of the entire country-a ruin which would bear heaviest
    upon the weakest, upon those least able to shift for themselves.
    But proposals for legislation such as this herein advocated are
directly opposed to this class of socialistic theories. Of course, I'm not actually /aware/ of any socialists of any real stature who actual /made/ any such arguments. But, Professor Simpson does get easily enthused, and must be allowed to have his say from time to time.

Back to Roosevelt:

    Our aim is to recognize what Lincoln pointed out: The fact that
    there are some respects in which men are obviously not equal; but
    also to insist that there should be an equality of self-respect
    and of mutual respect, an equality of rights before the law, and
    at least an approximate equality in the conditions under which
    each man obtains the chance to show the stuff that is in him when
    compared to his fellows.

So, Roosevelt quoting Lincoln to the everlasting humiliation of McCain/Palin Republicanism.

Sweet!

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*Dwight D. Eisenhower*

Eisenhower firmly rebuked the reactionary wing of the Republican Party. In a 1954 letter to his brother, Edgar Newton Eisenhower, *he wrote* <http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/presidential-papers/first-term/documents/1147.cfm>:

    Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
    unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm
    programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political
    history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes
    you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly
    know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
    occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their
    number is negligible and they are stupid.

He did cut taxes, though. In 1953, when he took office, the top marginal income tax rate was 92%. Ike thought this was outrageous. He cut the rate to 91%. That's well more than /twice/ the top rate that Obama proposes.

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*Richard Nixon*

Richard Nixon tried to implement *a form of negative income tax* <http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/37_nixon/nixon_domestic.html> as a way of substituting direct cash payments for bureaucratic forms of welfare assistance:

    Nixon had experienced the sting of poverty as a child, and he
    never forgot it. But while he sympathized with the poor, he also
    shared many Americans' conviction that the welfare system had
    grown into an inefficient bureaucracy which fostered dependency
    and low self esteem among welfare recipients and contributed to
    the breakdown of families by providing assistance only to
    households which were not headed by a working male.

    With the assistance of Urban Affairs Council secretary Daniel
    Patrick Moynihan, Nixon created the Family Assistance Plan. FAP
    called for the replacement of bureaucratically administered
    programs such as Aid to Families with Dependent Children, Food
    Stamps, and Medicaid, with direct cash payments to those in need.
    Not only single-parent families, but the working poor would
    qualify for aid. All recipients, save the mothers of preschool age
    children, would be required to work or take job training.

    Nixon revealed FAP in a nationwide address on August 8, 1969.
    Heavy criticism followed. Welfare advocates declared the income
    level Nixon proposed -- $1600 per year for a family of four --
    insufficient. Conservatives disliked the idea of a guaranteed
    annual income for people who didn't work. Labor saw the proposal
    as a threat to the minimum wage. Caseworkers opposed FAP fearing
    that many of their jobs would be eliminated. And many Americans
    complained that the addition of the working poor would expand
    welfare caseloads by millions. A disappointed Nixon pressed for
    the bill's passage in various forms, until the election season of
    1972. He knew a bad campaign issue when he saw one, and he let FAP
    expire.

What's more, as can be seen below, under Nixon, the tax rates--particularly on high earners--were as high or higher as they were under Kennedy and Johnson:

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*Ronald Reagan*

Even more than Teddy Roosevelt, McCain likes to associate himself with Ronald Reagan. But though Reagan talked a good conservative game, when push came to shove, he often switched directions. In fact, he not only rolled up record deficits, he raised taxes, saved Social Security, and greatly expanded the same type of negative income tax measures (refundable tax credits) that McCain is railing at Obama for.

In my earlier diary, *"John McCain Makes A Fool Of Himself, Again--Obama the Socialist Edition"* <http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9627>, I brought up the most successful form of negative income tax in US history--the *Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC or EIC)* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit>. It was introduced under Republican President Gerald Ford, and then expanded under Ronald Reagan:

    Enacted in 1975, the initially modest EIC has been expanded by tax
    legislation on a number of occasions, including the more
    widely-publicized Reagan EIC expansion of 1986. The EIC was
    further expanded in 1990, 1993, and 2001 regardless of whether the
    act in general raised taxes (1990, 1993), lowered taxes (2001), or
    eliminated other deductions and credits (1986). Today, the EITC is
    one of the largest anti-poverty tools in the United States
    (despite the fact that most income measures, including the poverty
    rate, do not account for the credit), and enjoys broad bipartisan
    support.

Reagan also helped save Social Security, in partnership with House Speaker Tip O'Neill, as *Joshua Green explained* <http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0301.green.html> in an article for /Washington Monthly/ in early 2003, "Reagan's Liberal Legacy":

    Reagan also vastly expanded one of the largest federal domestic
    programs, Social Security. Before becoming president, he had often
    openly mused, much to the alarm of his politically sensitive
    staff, about restructuring Social Security to allow individuals to
    opt out of the system--an antecedent of today's privatization
    plans. At the start of his administration, with Social Security
    teetering on the brink of insolvency, Reagan attempted to push
    through immediate draconian cuts to the program. But the Senate
    unanimously rebuked his plan, and the GOP lost 26 House seats in
    the 1982 midterm elections, largely as a result of this overreach.

    The following year, Reagan made one of the greatest ideological
    about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165
    billion bailout of Social Security. In almost every way, the
    bailout flew in the face of conservative ideology. It dramatically
    increased payroll taxes on employees and employers, brought a
    whole new class of recipients--new federal workers--into the
    system, and, for the first time, taxed Social Security benefits,
    and did so in the most liberal way: only those of upper-income
    recipients. (As an added affront to conservatives, the tax wasn't
    indexed to inflation, meaning that more and more people have
    gradually had to pay it over time.)

    By expanding rather than scaling back entitlements, Reagan--and
    Newt Gingrich after him--demonstrated that conservatives could not
    and would not launch a frontal assault on Social Security,
    effectively conceding that these cherished New Deal programs were
    central features of the American polity.

Ragan also raised taxes a lot more often and more freely than any conservative would dare to admit. Here's just a snippet of what Green has to say on that:

    The historic Tax Reform Act of 1986, though it achieved the supply
    side goal of lowering individual income tax rates,  was a
    startlingly progressive reform. The plan imposed the largest
    corporate tax increase in history--an act utterly unimaginable for
    any conservative to support today. Just two years after declaring,
    "there is no justification" for taxing corporate income, Reagan
    raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed
    corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same
    period. In addition to broadening the tax base, the plan increased
    standard deductions and personal exemptions to the point that no
    family with an income below the poverty line would have to pay
    federal income tax. Even at the time, conservatives within
    Reagan's administration were aghast. According to /Wall Street
    Journal/ reporters Jeffrey Birnbaum and Alan Murray, whose book
    /Showdown at Gucci Gulch/ chronicles the 1986 measure, "the
    conservative president's support for an effort once considered the
    bastion of liberals carried tremendous symbolic significance."
    When Reagan's conservative acting chief economic adviser, William
    Niskanen, was apprised of the plan he replied, "Walter Mondale
    would have been proud."

What's more, when he was governor of California, Reagan faced a budget crunch, and responded by agreeing the the Democratically-controlled legislature to respond with a balance of spending cuts and tax hikes raising the highest tax bracket. That's a step that the so-called "moderate" Governor Arnold Schwarzenneger has been either unwilling or unable to take.

Ronald Reagan: Socialist!

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Oh, and I /almost/ forgot this one:

*John McCain*

Back in 2001, John McCain was one of just two Republican senators who voted against Bush's tax cuts. As the /Washington Post/ *recalled earlier this year* <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/24/AR2008042403456.html>:

    In 2001, just days before Bush's first tax cut passed, McCain
    lamented on ABC's "This Week" that, "I'd like to see much more of
    this tax cut shared by working Americans. . . . I think it still
    devotes too much of it to the wealthiest Americans."

*John McCain.

Another Republican Socialist of America!*


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