Dems are now pointing to Kofi Anan stating that Iraq was a violation of UN Charter and international law.
They seem to forget that he said the same thing about Kosovo, yet we went in anyway. On Jan 18, 7:24 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > Keithie keithie keithie > > your reich wing meanie > > how can Miss Hillary be expected to know who to support when crazy reich > wing t baggers are shooting at her in Yugoslavia on the tarmac because Sarah > Palin put a target on Bosnia! > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Keith In Köln <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > One other interesting observation. I have had the opportunity to discuss > > "America" with a number of Europeans in the last two weeks, predominately > > Germans, but all of whom believe that the United States clearly backed the, > > "Wrong Side" in 1998 and should have in fact supported the Serbs. There is > > no question now, that the ousting of Slobodan Milosovic was a tragic > > mistake, and we besmirched this good man's name with allegations of > > genocide, when in fact, just the opposite was true. > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Keith In Köln > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Sherrie Gossett is very astute: > > >> *"By election day, national polls indicated 60 percent of voters believed > >> that the war had not improved the long-term security of the U.S., and 55 > >> percent thought that the U.S. should pull some or all of its troops from > >> Iraq. The Democrats worked to further the discontent and clearly profited > >> by > >> it.* > >> ** > >> *Senator Clinton cited the American military campaigns in Bosnia and > >> Kosovo as models of foreign engagements that she favored on moral and > >> strategic grounds.* > > >> *“I am a strong proponent of a national defense that is smart,” she told > >> CNN in August 2004. “What we need to be focused on is which president is > >> more likely to make decisions that will achieve our objectives with putting > >> the least amount of lives at risk,” she said, adding, “You know, we were > >> successful in Kosovo—and we didn’t lose a single American military person.” > >> * > > >> *That view has been echoed by many other Democrats and some Republicans, > >> too. Praising the Kosovo operations, former president Bill Clinton has even > >> suggested that, under a Democrat administration, more such operations may > >> be > >> on the way."* > > >> ** > >> *============* > >> ** > >> So, what Secretary of State Clinton means, is that she sees nothing wrong > >> with American military might being used as a ruse, for instance, in > >> diverting the American public's interests away from improprieties in the > >> White House, such as covering up cum stains on an intern's dress......As > >> long as we've got that covered.....(or uncovered....) > > >> ** > > >> ** > > >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Bruce Majors > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> The Democrats' Model War > >>> [image: Listen to this page using > >>> ReadSpeaker]<http://app.readspeaker.com/cgi-bin/rsent?customerid=5076&lang=en_us&r...> > >>> By Sherrie > >>> Gossett<http://www.atlassociety.org/category/tni-article-author/sherrie-gossett> > >>> [image: email page] <http://www.atlassociety.org/printmail/690> Send > >>> to Friend <http://www.atlassociety.org/printmail/690> > >>> [image: print] <http://www.atlassociety.org/print/690>Printer > >>> Friendly<http://www.atlassociety.org/print/690> > >>> [image: rss feed] <http://www.atlassociety.org/tni/articles/feed> RSS > >>> Feed <http://www.atlassociety.org/tni/articles/feed> > >>> ShareThis<http://www.atlassociety.org/tni/kosovo-bosnia-serbia-balkans-war-clinton> > > >>> [image: increase > >>> text]<http://www.atlassociety.org/tni/kosovo-bosnia-serbia-balkans-war-clinton> > >>> Larger > >>> Font<http://www.atlassociety.org/tni/kosovo-bosnia-serbia-balkans-war-clinton> > >>> [image: decrease > >>> text]<http://www.atlassociety.org/tni/kosovo-bosnia-serbia-balkans-war-clinton> > >>> Smaller > >>> Font<http://www.atlassociety.org/tni/kosovo-bosnia-serbia-balkans-war-clinton> > > >>> January 2007 --The 2006 U.S. elections, which put the Democrats in charge > >>> of the House and Senate, were widely described in media as a referendum on > >>> the Iraq war. Intense media scrutiny had resulted in critical reports on > >>> pre-war intelligence, the decision-making process that preceded the war, > >>> the > >>> postwar plan, and an unfolding civil war. > > >>> Books with titles such as *Fiasco*,* Imperial Hubris*, and > >>> *Colossus*described > >>> an America in denial of imperial ambitions that were destined to fail. > >>> Their > >>> authors and others ascribed to the U.S. such motives as arrogance and a > >>> willful refusal to learn from history. They characterized American foreign > >>> policy as an effort to impose democracy at gunpoint upon cultures either > >>> lacking democracy’s fundamental precursors or just plain unwilling to > >>> abide > >>> by them. Prior to the election, Americans also heard multiple media > >>> reports > >>> of the worst unintended consequence of the war: the multiplying of the > >>> ranks > >>> of terrorists. > > >>> By election day, national polls indicated 60 percent of voters believed > >>> that the war had not improved the long-term security of the U.S., and 55 > >>> percent thought that the U.S. should pull some or all of its troops from > >>> Iraq. The Democrats worked to further the discontent and clearly profited > >>> by > >>> it. > > >>> However, if the election was a vote of no confidence in the > >>> administration’s conduct of the war in Iraq, it left unanswered the > >>> question > >>> of what the Democrats would view as an appropriate use of American > >>> military > >>> force in the world. It’s a question most Democrats have preferred to > >>> dodge, > >>> but they have given us some disquieting clues. > >>> What would Democrats view as an appropriate use of American military > >>> force? > > >>> Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, the front-runner in national polls for > >>> the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, has said openly what many > >>> Democrats think: Democrats go to war for the right reasons and prosecute > >>> war > >>> more successfully. Prior to the 2000 presidential election, Senator > >>> Clinton > >>> cited the American military campaigns in Bosnia and Kosovo as models of > >>> foreign engagements that she favored on moral and strategic grounds. > > >>> “I am a strong proponent of a national defense that is smart,” she told > >>> CNN in August 2004. “What we need to be focused on is which president is > >>> more likely to make decisions that will achieve our objectives with > >>> putting > >>> the least amount of lives at risk,” she said, adding, “You know, we were > >>> successful in Kosovo—and we didn’t lose a single American military > >>> person.” > > >>> That view has been echoed by many other Democrats and some Republicans, > >>> too. Praising the Kosovo operations, former president Bill Clinton has > >>> even > >>> suggested that, under a Democrat administration, more such operations may > >>> be > >>> on the way. > > >>> So, what are these “objectives” that Senator Clinton alluded to? What > >>> would future war-fighting look like according to the Clinton doctrine? One > >>> has only to look at Kosovo to see the blueprint and organizing principle > >>> behind what could become the long-term future of U.S. foreign policy under > >>> the Democrats. > >>> A Disputed Land > > >>> Approximately the size of Connecticut, Kosovo is a province within the > >>> Republic of Serbia, an Eastern European country that controls one of the > >>> major land routes from Western Europe to Turkey and the Near East. Like > >>> the > >>> rest of what used to be Yugoslavia, Kosovo had a rich mix of ethnic groups > >>> and different nationalities. Ethnic Albanians, who are predominantly > >>> Muslim, > >>> make up the majority of a population of around two million. The presence > >>> of > >>> many Albanian Muslims and the Ottoman Turks over the centuries has left a > >>> countryside dotted with mosques. Meanwhile, the predominantly Orthodox > >>> Christian Serbs form the largest minority group. For them, Kosovo—home of > >>> the Patriarchate of Peć, the equivalent of the Vatican for Orthodox > >>> Christianity—is the center of their religious and national identity, both > >>> their Jerusalem and their Alamo. Other minorities present include the > >>> Montenegrins, Turks, Croats, Ashkali, Roma (Gypsies), and Muslim Slavs. > > >>> In previous centuries, the Serbs had been the most populous group in > >>> Kosovo, but over the years were driven out in large numbers. One reason > >>> was > >>> brutal treatment during World War II, when Nazi and Italian troops invaded > >>> Yugoslavia. Kosovo Albanians sided with the Axis Powers, helped raise an > >>> SS > >>> *Skanderbeg *division, and began a systematic slaughter and ethnic > >>> cleansing of Serbs, Jews, and other minorities. The fact that Albanians in > >>> the 1980s had the highest birth rate in Europe also contributed to the > >>> fateful demographic shift. > >>> Yugoslavia , Post-Tito > > >>> In the aftermath of World War II, Yugoslavia became a socialist successor > >>> state to the monarchic Kingdom of Yugoslavia, formed after World War I. > >>> Under Marshal Tito, Yugoslavia’s many ethnic, national, and religious > >>> groups > >>> were held in check with an iron hand and cynical machinations, which > >>> included playing one ethnic group against another. So it’s not surprising > >>> that in the power vacuum created when Tito died on May 4, 1980, thousands > >>> of > >>> students poured into the streets of Kosovo’s capital, Pristina, demanding > >>> that Kosovo be made an independent republic. News outlets and analysts > >>> reported that some Albanians wanted republic status so that they could > >>> secede and become part of neighboring Albania, then the most orthodox > >>> Communist country in the region. > > >>> As this movement spread, a ruthless crackdown from Belgrade followed. In > >>> 1981, Albanian riots broke out and were put down violently by Yugoslav > >>> forces. Kosovo came under virtual military rule, with curfews and other > >>> emergency measures provoking more resentment. The discontent was > >>> compounded > >>> by a country-wide financial crisis. Despite large-scale national > >>> investment > >>> in Kosovo, and the fact that the province received the lion’s share of all > >>> federal aid in the country, > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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