You can't reason somebody out of something they weren't reasoned into. -- L. Neil Smith
GORGEOUS, MJ! On Jan 21, 11:44 am, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > ROTFLMAO! > > Regard$, > --MJ > > You can't reason somebody out of something they > weren't reasoned into. -- L. Neil Smith > > At 05:09 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote: > > > > >against your disregard of facts > > >On Jan 20, 3:23 pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Your fallacy of appeal to authority AND delusion. > > > > Regard$, > > > --MJ > > > > The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the > > > first example of governments erected on the simple principles > > > of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to > > > disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and > > > superstition, they will consider this event as an era in > > > their history. Although the detail of the formation of the > > > American governments is at present little known or regarded > > > either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an > > > object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any > > > persons employed in that service had interviews with the > > > gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, > > > more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring > > > in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be > > > acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely > > > by the use of reason and the senses.... > > > -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government > > > of the United States of America" [1787-1788]; > > > > At 03:04 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote: > > > > >You're wrong again: > > > >The United States of America is a federal constitutional republic. > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States > > > > >On Jan 20, 1:59 pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > WRONG. > > > > > > The US -- as crafted by its Constitution -- is a Constitutionally > > > > > LIMITED Republic. The States who created it choose a President (by > > > > > electors chosen by whatever method each State's legislature chooses), > > > > > the People of the States are 'district-ly' represented by a single > > > > > House Member . The States themselves WERE represented by Senators > > > > > (before that check was eliminated). The ENUMERATED Powers provided > > > > > said Government *may* call for democratic process, but such process > > > > > does NOT a democracy make. Those enumerated Powers can ONLY > > > > > (legitimately) be changed by those Sovereign States that put the > > > > > agreement into effect. > > > > > > A Democracy, on the other hand, can be DIRECT or REPRESENTATIVE > > > > > ... whatever the Mob (or at least what is perceived as such) desires > > > > > becomes law. > > > > > > Regard$, > > > > > --MJ > > > > > > Democracy: A government of the masses. > > > > > Authority derived through mass meeting or > > > > > any other form of direct expression. Results > > > > > in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is > > > > > communistic ... Attitude toward law is that > > > > > the will of the majority shall regulate, > > > > > whether it is based on deliberation or > > > > > governed by passion, prejudice, or impulse, > > > > > without restraint or regard to the > > > > > consequences. Result is demagogism, > > > > > license, agitation, discontent, anarchy. > > > > > -- U.S. Army training manual No. 2000-25 (1928-1932) > > > > > > At 02:07 PM 1/20/2011, you wrote: > > > > > > >I believe in Democracy > > > > > >--- > > > > > >then you should move to democratic country > > > > > > >The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately > > > > > >defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people > > > > > >decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by > > > > > >voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the > > > > > >other > > > > > >hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in > > > > > >turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the > > > > > >Constitution were altogether fearful of democracy. Everything they > > > > > >read and studied taught them that democracies "have ever been > > > > > >spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found > > > > > >incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and > > > > > >have in general been as short in their lives as they have been > > > > > >violent > > > > > >in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10). > > > > > > >On Jan 20, 12:05 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Old Sagey is wrong again. > > > > > > > > I am not a diciple of any school or movement, I am not a > > > > > > > socialist, > > > > > > > and I am not a propagandist. > > > > > > > > I am an independent thinker with my own personal centrist > > > > > > Progressive beliefs. > > > > > > > I speak the truth, as I see it. I > > believe in Democracy, despite its > > > > > > > many flaws. > > > > > > > > It is the Far Right that is the real puveyour of lies, smear, and > > > > > > propaganda. > > > > > > > > On 1/19/11, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Don't you all know that Tommy is a student & > > > > > > > > disciple of the Saul Alinsky school of progressive socialism & > > > > > > > > propaganda?! Just like Bill Ayers and most progressives > > > > infesting our > > > > > > > > Colleges & Universities as well as > > government. They are like leeches > > > > > > > > crawling in the dark waiting to make any move at any time. > > > > > > > > Divisiveness & DEMagoguery being just a few of their tools of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > trade. > > > *************************************************************************** > > > > > > ********************************************************** > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 10:17 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> This is not a personal insult, it > > is a general and genuine political > > > > > > > >> opinion of mine. > > > > > > > > >> The far right extremists are indeed similar to the Third > > > > Reich in many > > > > > > > >> respects, especially regarding > > fear mongering, false propaganda, war > > > > > > > >> mongering, and pre-emptive "Bush Doctrine" illegal wars, > > > > self centered > > > > > > > >> supremist beliefs, corrupt > > profiteering, Corporate personhood and > > > > > > > >> greed, etc. Tell me I am wrong, and why? > > > > > > > > >> On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > Oh, THIS post. LOL > > > > > > > > >> > You toss Reich Wing around like candy and then have > > > > balls to ask, 'Do > > > > > > > >> > you feel that personal insuts and vicious attacks on > > > > group members are > > > > > > > >> > acceptable in this forum?" > > > > > > > > >> > Guess what doof. Reich Wing is > > a personal attack and an insult. > > > > > > > > >> > Duhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! > > > > > > > > >> > Have a good cry. Its fun to watch > > > > > > > > >> > On Jan 19, 9:50 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> You are evading or avoiding my questions. > > > > > > > > >> >> 1- Please show me specifically where it says anything about > > > > > > "Nazis" in > > > > > > > >> >> THIS > > > > > > > >> >> post. > > > > > > > > >> >> 2- Please show me exactly where > > i have cryed "like a 6 year old > > > > > > > >> >> girl about" anything at all? > > > > > > > > >> >> 3- Do you feel that personal > > insuts and vicious attacks on group > > > > > > > >> >> members are acceptable in this forum? > > > > > > > > >> >> 4- How old are you? Are you aware that bullies and many > > > > children find > > > > > > > >> >> humor in the vicious things that you find funny? > > > > > > > > >> >> On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > You toss Reich Wing around > > like candy, and whine like a girl if > > > > > > > >> >> > someone calls you a name, or cry "offensive" when > > > > > > challenged on your > > > > > > > >> >> > crying offense. > > > > > > > > >> >> > ALL THE TIME > > > > > > > > >> >> > Its hilarious. Please don't stop. I always need a good > > > > > > laugh in the > > > > > > > >> >> > morning, and you're a king. > > > > > > > > >> >> > On Jan 18, 10:07 pm, Tommy > > News <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> Gregie- > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Please show me specifically where it says anything about > > > > > > "Nazis" in > > > > > > > >> >> >> this > > > > > > > >> >> >> post. > > > > > > > >> >> >> Also, please show me exactly where i have cryed > > > > "like a 6 year old > > > > > > > >> >> >> girl about" antthing at all? > > > > > > > > >> >> >> I am waiting. > > > > > > > > >> >> >> To Repeat: > > > > > > > > >> >> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was indeed in violation > > > > of both the > > > > > > > >> >> >> United Nations Charter and also violated The Geneva > > > > > > Convention. See > > > > > > > >> >> >> the Kucinich Articles of Impeachment I have provided > > > > > > previously for > > > > > > > >> >> >> empirical proof and documentation. > > > > > > > > >> >> >> The "Bush Doctrine" was > > indeed illegal, and the war criminals > > > > > > > >> >> >> responsible should be prosecuted. > > > > > > > > >> >> >> The blood is on the hands of the Republican party of low. > > > > > > > > >> >> >> On 1/18/11, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > What fun it is to see Tommy News cry like a 6 year old > > > > > > girl about > > > > > > > >> >> >> > being offended and called names, while in the same > > > > post calling > > > > > > > >> >> >> > any > > > > > > > >> >> >> > and everyone on the right Nazis. > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > Its Mel Brooks comedy, but the dif is, Mel is smart. > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > -- > > > > > > > >> >> >> > Thanks for being part of > > "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > For options & help > > > > > > > >> >> >> > seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > * Visit our other > > community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > > > > > > >> >> >> > * It's active and > > moderated. 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