that's fascinating Bob I just went on a tour of Monticello 2 weeks ago and though they told us who was a slave and that he was in debt they never connected these facts
They told us he had over 600 slaves and I asked how many he freed. The guide said 7, two during his life and 5 at his death. Additionally his daughter let Sally Hemmings "have her time," meaning the Jefferson-Randolph family still owned her but she was free to leave and move to town and work for herself. I kind of wanted to know if a free woman of color would have been subject to rape and other violence in a way that a woman "having her time" but still legally the property of an important white family would not have been. I left the tour disturbed that Thomas Jefferson was such a modernist/futurist/rationalist and also such a libertarian and revolutionary but did not find a way to free (more of) those slaves. But you are saying his creditors would have then just "re-possessed" them and probably treated them worse (apparently Jefferson tried to keep slave families together). What's ironic is that his debt may prove (though he did buy a lot of books and French wine and devices) that slavery was inefficient and may have not produced any wealth (in terms of opportunity cost -- it produced less wealth than a free labor market would have) (and that black political groups who imagine trillions of dollars of 20th century wealth was produced by their ancestors being whipped as they hoed a cotton field are just delusional). He had 600 slaves and still couldn't turn a profit. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:14 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 03:47:05 -0800 (PST), Ric <rdbhoo.com<rdb1938%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > Maybe this is why Jefferson never freed his own slaves, some of which > were his > >own children, by a mulato woman. Even though he wrote and subscribed to > the > >political idea that 'all men are created equal'. > > no it was because Jefferson was always irresponsibly debt in debt and it > was against Virginia state for him give his slaves freedom. > > It was against the law in Virginia to give anything of market value away > if you were in debt. > > Virginia law allowed anyone who had a note or could acquire a note to be > able to sieze any property given away (ie a slave freedom) by a debtor. > > When Jefferson died most but not all of his slaves were freed, for the > same reason. > > All of his debts had to paid for with the sale of other property before > any slave could be freed. > > All Jefferson could without cutting back his lifestyle and paying his > debts before his death, was to rank his slaves in order as to which would > be sold off last. Once his debts were paid after his death, the remaining > unsold slaves were freed. > > bh > > __._,_.___ > Reply to > sender<[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Re%3A%20%5BI-S%5D%20150%20lawyers>| > Reply > to > group<[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20Re%3A%20%5BI-S%5D%20150%20lawyers>| > Reply > via web > post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Individual-Sovereignty/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNWoyYmp2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI0MjA3MzcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MzAzMjkyBG1zZ0lkAzIyNzk1NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTcwODA5MDU-?act=reply&messageNum=227955>| > Start > a New > Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Individual-Sovereignty/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZGZuNWhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI0MjA3MzcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MzAzMjkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5NzA4MDkwNQ--> > Messages in this > topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Individual-Sovereignty/message/227949;_ylc=X3oDMTM4a2YzNjA4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI0MjA3MzcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MzAzMjkyBG1zZ0lkAzIyNzk1NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTcwODA5MDUEdHBjSWQDMjI3OTQ5>( > 3) > Recent Activity: > > - New > Members<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Individual-Sovereignty/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbnQ0ZGs1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI0MjA3MzcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MzAzMjkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEyOTcwODA5MDU-?o=6> > 2 > > Visit Your > Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Individual-Sovereignty;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcjFtMmtjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI0MjA3MzcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MzAzMjkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTI5NzA4MDkwNQ--> > Report any problems, suggestions or abuse to > [email protected] > > [image: Yahoo! > Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZG45cGd0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI0MjA3MzcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MzAzMjkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjk3MDgwOTA1> > Switch to: > Text-Only<[email protected]?subject=Change+Delivery+Format:+Traditional>, > Daily > Digest<[email protected]?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest>• > Unsubscribe<[email protected]?subject=Unsubscribe>• > Terms > of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > . > > __,_._,___ > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
