Jonathan, the socialist-communist, has the respect of no patriotic
American, and is thus undeserving of being replied to.  — J. A. A. —
>
On Mar 4, 2:02 pm, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "We have to pass MY New Constitution so that you can find out what's in
> it, away from the fog of the controversy." -- John A. Armistead � Patriot
>
> On 03/04/2011 10:33 AM, MJ wrote:
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> > *"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,
> > away from the fog of the controversy." -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
>
> > *At 01:24 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
> >> Hey Einstein,
>
> >> Manners go both ways. Your constant "talking points" about your
> >> proposed constitution coupled with your obstinate refusal to post it
> >> in its entirety so people can read "In Context" and form a worthwhile
> >> opinion for themselves is rather hypocritical and here is why:
>
> >> The very fact that you have undertaken your monumental task says that
> >> there are many parts of the present constitution that you find
> >> repugnant, worthless, unusable (etc). Yet you do not allow anyone
> >> else the opportunity to read what you HAVE written so they can get a
> >> full sense of the proposed document... (Old son, that is EXACTLY what
> >> Pelosi said about Obamacare.) When sections are posted and then
> >> criticized you call everyone who finds ANY fault at all a
> >> communist/socialist, when that is EXACTLY what you are doing with the
> >> present Constitution.... by your own means test that would make YOU a
> >> communist/socialist as well as it is that very present Constitution
> >> which you are de-bunking that allows you the possibility of writing
> >> yours.
>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, NoEinstein <[email protected]
> >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>
> >>     Folks:  Those without manners (respect for me) like Jonathan, the
> >>     socialist-communist, are undeserving of a reply.  ï¿½ J. A. A. �
>
> >>     On Mar 3, 11:16 pm, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]
> >>     <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>     wrote:
> >>     > Once again, John has resorted to name calling instead of
> >>     answering the
> >>     > 10 specific questions I asked regarding HIS New Constitution.
>
> >>     > "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human
> >>     stupidity, and I'm
> >>     > not sure about the former."
> >>     > - Albert Einstein
>
> >>     > On 3/2/2011 7:19 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> >>     > > Folks:  Jonathan, the socialist-communist, is undeserving of
> >>     a reply.
> >>     > > � J. A. A. �
> >>     > > On Mar 2, 1:29 pm, Jonathan
> >>     Ashley<[email protected]
> >>     <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>     > > wrote:
> >>     > >> John,
>
> >>     > >> You wrote:
>
> >>     > >> *>  Dear Keith: Obviously, you are bright. Anyone agreeing
> >>     with me has to
> >>     > >> be!*
>
> >>     > >> It is obvious to me that you have the arrogance required of
> >>     a dictator.
> >>     > >> As for the implication by reference that you are "bright,"
> >>     let us look
> >>     > >> at some of what you have included in your reply to Keith.
>
> >>     > >> *>  1st Amendment: No law shall be made regarding the
> >>     establishment of
> >>     > >> peaceable religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, but
> >>     > >> government, its campaigns, processes, slogans, and
> >>     disbursements shall
> >>     > >> be secular.*
>
> >>     > >> 1) I read this to mean that your as yet un-ratified New
> >>     Constitution
> >>     > >> already has Amendments attached to it. Am I correct? If so,
> >>     why are
> >>     > >> these amendments not included directly in YOUR New Constitution?
>
> >>     > >> 2) Who is going to decide whether or not a religion is
> >>     "peaceful"? A
> >>     > >> Christian? A Hindu? A Buddhist? An Islamic?
>
> >>     > >> 3) Who is going to ensure that "government, its campaigns,
> >>     processes,
> >>     > >> slogans, and disbursements shall be secular"?
>
> >>     > >> 4) Who is going to prevent a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist,
> >>     Islamic from
> >>     > >> influencing your secular government?
>
> >>     > >> 4) Why do you believe "government, its campaigns, processes,
> >>     slogans,
> >>     > >> and disbursements" need be secular?
> >>     > >> *
> >>     > >> >  No law nor private or civil action shall abridge: the
> >>     freedom of
> >>     > >> speech; *
>
> >>     > >> You already abridged the freedom of speech when you declared
> >>     > >> "government, its campaigns, processes, slogans, and
> >>     disbursements shall
> >>     > >> be secular."
>
> >>     > >> *>  the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy press or other
> >>     medium;*
>
> >>     > >> 1) Who will determine whether a "press or other medium" is
> >>     being "fair
> >>     > >> and pro-democracy"?
>
> >>     > >> 2) Why do you believe it necessary for a "press or other
> >>     medium" to
> >>     > >> be"pro-democracy"?Democracy is nothing more than two wolves
> >>     and a sheep
> >>     > >> deciding on what to have for dinner.
>
> >>     > >> *>  the right of People to peaceably assemble; and the right
> >>     of any
> >>     > >> Citizen or group to petition government or any of its
> >>     branches or
> >>     > >> departments for redress of grievances.*
>
> >>     > >> It was nice of you to leave this portion of the 1st
> >>     Amendment of our
> >>     > >> current Constitution in tact.
>
> >>     > >> *>  Citizens so petitioning government shall receive
> >>     appropriate,
> >>     > >> relevant, timely, comprehensive, helpful and just responses
> >>     from proper
> >>     > >> authorities who have thoroughly read, understood, and
> >>     addressed each
> >>     > >> salient aspect of the grievances or requests for directions or
> >>     > >> clarifications.*
>
> >>     > >> 1) Who is to determine what constitutes an "appropriate,
> >>     relevant,
> >>     > >> timely, comprehensive, helpful and just response"?
>
> >>     > >> 2) Who determines a "proper" authority from an "improper"
> >>     authority?
>
> >>     > >> 3) Who will determine whether the "proper authorities" "have
> >>     thoroughly
> >>     > >> read, understood, and addressed each salient aspect of the
> >>     grievances or
> >>     > >> requests for directions or clarifications"?
>
> >>     > >> I am having too much fun to continue.
>
> >>     > >> Based on what I have read so far, YOUR New Constitution lack
> >>     constructs
> >>     > >> such as...*
>
> >>     > >> Rule of construction*
>
> >>     > >>      If there is any significant doubt concerning whether an
> >>     official has
> >>     > >>      a power, or a person has an immunity from the exercise
> >>     of a power,
> >>     > >>      the presumption shall be that the official does not
> >>     have the power,
> >>     > >>      or conversely, that the person has the immunity.
>
> >>     > >> *Access to grand jury, appointment of prosecutors*
>
> >>     > >>      No person shall be unreasonably impeded from access to
> >>     a randomly
> >>     > >>      selected grand jury of 23, who, if they should return
> >>     an indictment
> >>     > >>      or presentment, may appoint that person or any other to
> >>     prosecute
> >>     > >>      the case, and shall decide which court, if any, has
> >>     jurisdiction,
> >>     > >>      and whether any official shall have official immunity
> >>     from suit.
>
> >>     > >> The above constructs come from Jon Roland of the
> >>     Constitution Society.http://constitution.org/reform/us/con_amend.htm
>
> >>     > >> On 3/2/2011 9:18 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> >>     > >>> Dear Keith:  Obviously, you are bright.  Anyone agreeing
> >>     with me has
> >>     > >>> to be!  But you are weak-spirited to suppose that things
> >>     can be left
> >>     > >>> going as they are... and the USA will somehow... survive.
> >>     There are
> >>     > >>> three approximately equal problem areas in the USA: (1.)
> >>     The horrible
> >>     > >>> and immensely wasteful school systems; (2.) The corrupt,
> >>     elitist and
> >>     > >>> controlling media; and (3.) our career-politician-dominated
> >>     > >>> governments, seldom deferential to the electorates.  Number
> >>     (2.) is
> >>     > >>> responsible for number (3.).  That's why FIXING the media
> >>     has to be a
> >>     > >>> top priority!  Fixing our corrupt governments can happen
> >>     very quickly
> >>     > >>> following the ratification of my New Constitution.  But
> >>     fixing the
> >>     > >>> media will require monitoring what gets said and done and
> >>     imprisoning
> >>     > >>> errant individuals, or shutting down any media not
> >>     conforming to the
> >>     > >>> very clear dictates of my New Constitution.  To wit:
> >>     > >>> "Bill of Rights and Amendments:
> >>     > >>> 1st Amendment:  No law shall be made regarding the
> >>     establishment of
> >>     > >>> peaceable religion or prohibiting the free exercise
> >>     thereof, but
> >>     > >>> government, its campaigns, processes, slogans, and
> >>     disbursements shall
> >>     > >>> be secular.  No law nor private or civil action shall
> >>     abridge: the
> >>     > >>> freedom of speech; the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy
> >>     press or
> >>     > >>> other medium; the right of People to peaceably assemble;
> >>     and the right
> >>     > >>> of any Citizen or group to petition government or any of
> >>     its branches
> >>     > >>> or departments for redress of grievances.  Citizens so
> >>     petitioning
> >>     > >>> government shall receive appropriate, relevant, timely,
> >>     comprehensive,
> >>     > >>> helpful and just responses from proper authorities who have
> >>     thoroughly
> >>     > >>> read, understood, and addressed each salient aspect of the
> >>     grievances
> >>     > >>> or requests for directions or clarifications.  Failure to
> >>     so respond
> >>     > >>> to a rightful petition for redress of a grievance shall, on
> >>     a single
> >>     > >>> provable instance, terminate the apt one�s employment,
> >>     especially
> >>     > >>> those in management or public
>
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