So why are the members of Seal Team 6 and all those who advised them not being tried for violation of International laws? All involved, from the President on down, seem content to brag about breaking the "law" and getting away with it.

On 05/09/2011 08:06 AM, GregfromBoston wrote:
military heroism is seen in Private Bradley Manning
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Yea, breaking the law, KNOWING it, and bragging about it for
attention, is "heroic".
Saddest thing here is that there are people that actually believe
that.

HORRENDOUSLY, sad.

On the upside, military courts ain't falling for it.

Buh bye kid.  Send a card when you get out at 70

On May 9, 8:26 am, MJ<[email protected]>  wrote:
"My criticism of bin Laden’s killing has less to do with what was done to him, than with the morally depraved character of so many Americans who, once again, react to the crimes of its leaders by waving 
flags and chanting "USA, USA!" My children and grandchildren will have to live in -- and, hopefully, not have to escape from -- this country whose fate is so utterly a matter of indifference to most 
of their neighbors. Thanks to the influence that politics, government schools, and the mainstream media have had in anesthetizing minds to the pain of clear, self-directed thinking, the kinds of principles 
that used to define the essence of American society, have become labeled "extremist ideology" or "crackpot" thinking. After all, what do such notions as "constitutional 
restraints," the "rule of law," "due process," "individual liberty," "privacy," "fair trials for the accused," the rejection of "torture," and 
other related ideas, have to do with such "real world" matters as details of the royal wedding, or the question "who will be the next American Idol?""How Perverted Have We Become?by 
Butler ShafferMichael:My father is no different from any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.Kay Adams:Do you know how naïve you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don’t have men 
killed.Michael:Oh, who’s being naïve, Kay?   --The Godfather(1972)
When I was in high school, one of my teachers showed the filmThe Ox-Bow 
Incident. For those unfamiliar with the movie, it is a western that takes place 
in 19th century Nevada. Three strangers are captured by townsfolk -- who had 
formed a posse -- and accused of having murdered a local cattleman and stolen 
his cattle. The three are in possession of the cattle, but claim they had 
bought them from the owner. As the sale took place out on the range, no bill of 
sale accompanied the transaction. In due course, most members of the posse 
conclude these men were guilty of the crime, and decide to hang them, which 
they summarily do. Shortly thereafter, the posse meets up with the sheriff who 
informs them that the cattleman had been wounded, but not murdered, and that 
the wrongdoers who had shot him had been caught.
I recall no lengthy discussion of this film once it ended. Its message was as evident to 
each of us as it was to theater audiences; its meaning stood on its own. Unlike so much 
of the public response to the killing of Osama bin Laden, there was no post-lynching 
praise of the posse for having performed a community service; no bestowal of 
"hero" status upon the perpetrators.
Like most Americans -- and, perhaps, people in general -- I have no defense to make of bin Laden. 
Outside of his own circle of operatives, the only person I can recall who had good words to say 
about this man was Ronald Reagan. It was during his presidency that the U.S. government helped to 
create and fund Al Qaeda -- with bin Laden in a leadership role -- to help drive the Soviet Union 
out of Afghanistan. For those of you who derive your sense of history from motion pictures, you 
might want to watchCharlie Wilson’s War.Having been established to serve American Cold War 
interests, when Al Qaeda’s success in evicting the Soviets was no longer useful to such purposes, 
it pursuedotherforeign invaders (i.e., its creators)! Once again Boobus Americanus is confronted 
with Newton’s "third law of motion" which, in matters political, is known to thoughtful 
minds as "blowback."
My criticism of bin Laden’s killing has less to do with what was done to him, than with the morally depraved character of so many Americans who, once again, react to the crimes of its leaders by 
waving flags and chanting "USA, USA!" My children and grandchildren will have to live in -- and, hopefully, not have to escape from -- this country whose fate is so utterly a matter of 
indifference to most of their neighbors. Thanks to the influence that politics, government schools, and the mainstream media have had in anesthetizing minds to the pain of clear, self-directed 
thinking, the kinds of principles that used to define the essence of American society, have become labeled "extremist ideology" or "crackpot" thinking. After all, what do such 
notions as "constitutional restraints," the "rule of law," "due process," "individual liberty," "privacy," "fair trials for the accused," 
the rejection of "torture," and other related ideas, have to do with such "real world" matters as details of the royal wedding, or the question "who will be the next American 
Idol?"
This is what America has become: a nation of people who accept what the Nuremberg trials declared 
to be the most serious of war crimes, namely, the starting of wars; people who regard 
"liberty" as the condition that derives from obedience to authority; for whom 
"justice" means nothing more than the redistribution of violence; and who are willing to 
accept heroes on the cheap. The official story of how bin Laden was killed has changed so many 
times that it remains uncertain what actually occurred. What can be distilled, at this point, is 
that Navy SEALs were brought to bin Laden’s residence by helicopter; he was unarmed and put up no 
resistance; and, having been captured, was then shot and killed, and his body dumped into the sea.
It borders on the psychotic for Americans to cheer, as "heroes," men who, not 
defending themselves from gunfire, and having captured a now helpless old man, would then 
commit such a cold-blooded atrocity. Why was he not taken into custody, and allowed to 
stand trial for his alleged deeds? Was it preordained that, no matter the circumstances, 
bin Laden was not to survive his capture; that, as Noam Chomsky and others have observed, 
the United States did not have concrete evidence of bin Laden’s responsibility for the 
crimes of 9/11? Was there, perhaps, the greater fear that if bin Laden -- a creature of 
American foreign policy -- were to be subjected to a public trial, the underside of such 
policies might be revealed; that such evidence -- coupled with the revelations coming 
from Julian Assange and his Wikileaks organization -- might prove embarrassing?
If American troops are to play the role of "hit men" for the political 
establishment -- gunning down those who might inconvenience the purposes of statist 
godfathers -- what are we to think of our neighbors who see such behavior as a matter of 
national greatness? It is now the common wisdom among the political talking-heads -- 
whose opinions are alltoocommon -- that Obama’s criminal act greatly boosts his 
reelection chances. Has the market for moral principles so bottomed out in this country? 
Is it in the dregs of human character that future historians will find the essence of 
21st century America?
Nearly six years ago, British policemen tackled a young Brazilian man in a subway station 
on his way to work. After getting him down, he was shot five times in the head and died, 
for which FOX News’ witless commentator, John Gibson, praised the police, adding 
"five in the noggin is fine." It was later revealed that the victim of this 
murder was innocent of any wrongdoing. In a rational world, it would be the purpose of a 
public trial to determine whether a suspect was guilty of a criminal offense. In whatever 
form a lynch-mob appears, the society that condones -- or worse yet glorifies -- such 
practices destroys itself.
Hero-worship is far too overdone in this country, and is often confused with 
fame. Nonetheless, those who seek heroic behavior can find it if one is 
discriminating in where to look for it. One can sometimes find it within the 
military, although such persons are often treated as pariahs. One example can 
be found in the U.S. Army helicopter pilot, Hugh Thompson, who came upon the 
systematic murdering of Vietnamese civilians at My Lai, led by Lt. Calley. When 
Thompson figured out what was occurring, he turned his helicopter toward the 
American soldiers and ordered his crew members to open fire on them should they 
persist in their slaughter. For his heroic act of decency, Thompson spent much 
of his remaining years being treated more as a villain. Boobus has been too 
conditioned in his support of the state to be willing to make independent 
judgments, particularly about anything that lays too great burden upon his 
mind. A more recent example of military heroism is seen in Private Bradley 
Manning, who has been accused of providing WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange with the 
restricted material that Wikileaks later released. For a nation that professes 
to operate on democratic principles, Manning and Assange are providing the 
public with an essential service: a documented awareness of what its government 
has been doing. If anyone wants to build a monument to any of these genuine 
heroes, please let me know where I can send my 
donation!http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer235.html

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