It was to support the use of the military, and it was overwhelming On Jun 15, 11:04 pm, Sharon Fuentes <[email protected]> wrote: > thanks...maybe the vote i recall was to suppport him but not to declare war. > S > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:06 PM, GregfromBoston <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > War hasn't been declared since December 8, 1941. > > > But, there is no provision in the constitution that war must be > > declared in order for CinC to use the military. > > > On Jun 15, 5:01 pm, Sharon Fuentes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > MJ...Can you please remind me if Congress voted to declare war on Iraq > > > during the second invasion? I think I remember them voting. But did not > > > Clinton do the same when he attacked the camps in Lebanon trying to > > squelch > > > hisbola and Bin Laden? Thanks S. > > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:45 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > *"So, I say: Impeach him. In fact, I can’t see any reason why he > > shouldn’t > > > > be impeached. He has broken the law -- the people’s law -- the law of > > the > > > > Constitution, and he has done so knowingly, intentionally, and > > willfully." > > > > > *Wednesday, June 15, 2011 > > > > *Impeach Obama > > > > *by Jacob G. Hornberger > > > > > Article II, Section 4, of the Constitution states in part: > > > > > “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United > > States, > > > > shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, > > Treason, > > > > Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors.” > > > > > Article I, Section 8, states in part: > > > > > “The Congress shall have Power To Declare War….” > > > > > The Constitution is the highest law of the land. It is the law that the > > > > citizenry of the United States imposed on federal officials as a > > condition > > > > to calling the federal government into existence. > > > > > Since the Framers delegated the power to declare war to Congress, the > > > > Constitution prohibits the president from waging war without first > > securing > > > > a declaration of war from Congress. > > > > > Everyone acknowledges that President Obama has waged war against Libya > > > > without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war. > > By > > > > ordering U.S. armed forces to attack Libya, Obama intentionally, > > knowingly, > > > > and willingly violated the law the law of the Constitution. > > > > > Obama’s war on Libya has resulted in the deaths of untold number of > > people > > > > who have never attacked the United States. His war of aggression has > > also > > > > exposed the American people to the increased threat of terrorism, which > > > > federal officials commonly cite as the justification for further > > > > infringements on the civil liberties of the American people. > > > > > Obama’s war on Libya clearly falls within the category of a “high crime > > or > > > > misdemeanor.” In fact, given the death and destruction and the real and > > > > potential harm to the safety and freedom of the American people, > > Obama’s war > > > > is akin to a political felony. > > > > > So, I say: Impeach him. In fact, I can’t see any reason why he > > shouldn’t be > > > > impeached. He has broken the law -- the people’s law -- the law of the > > > > Constitution, and he has done so knowingly, intentionally, and > > willfully. > > > > > What would be Obama’s defense at his impeachment trial? Unable to deny > > the > > > > charge, his only claim would be that since other presidents have > > violated > > > > the same law and nothing was done to them, he should be let off the > > hook > > > > too. > > > > > But is that a valid defense? It certainly isn’t permitted in criminal > > cases > > > > in which the feds charge citizens with violations of their laws. If a > > > > citizen is charged with illegal possession of drugs, for example, he > > isn’t > > > > permitted to defend against the charge by claiming that others > > similarly > > > > situated weren’t charged. > > > > > So, why should Obama’s “defense” be treated any differently? > > > > > Even if Obama were to be acquitted, wouldn’t it be constructive to > > finally > > > > bring a president to account for his willful violation of this > > particular > > > > provision of the Constitution? At the very least, a powerful message > > would > > > > be sent to Obama and all future presidents: Try this again and you will > > be > > > > removed from office. > > > > > Given that the U.S. Supreme Court long ago signaled that it would not > > > > enforce this particular provision of the Constitution no matter how > > > > important it was, it’s up to Congress to do so. If presidents can > > ignore the > > > > law, then what’s the point of having a Constitution? > > > > > It’s time for Congress to enforce our law -- the law of the > > Constitution -- > > > > the law that we the people have imposed on federal officials. What > > better > > > > way to do that than by impeaching President Obama for the high crime or > > > > misdemeanor of waging war on Libya without the congressional > > declaration of > > > > war required by the Constitution? > > > > >http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-06-15.asp > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > > * Visit our other community > > > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > > <http://www.politicalforum.com/> > > > > * It's active and moderated. 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