You and most liberal socialist-elitists (and I am not calling you a socialist-elitist PlainOl', I am just saying that you are now adopting their "forgetfulness") forget about the Truman Doctrine, which was a tit for tat geo-political strategy during the 1940s, through the 1980s. We were in a tactical and strategic war with the Soviet Union. Therein was out logic with the Shah, Korea, and Vietnam.
There was no intervention in Iran in 1953. Nor were we at war with anyone in Iran in 1953. Again, all rhetoric and spin by Dr. Paul. In a Nation that was unstable, and unfriendly to our interests, we supported a political faction that was stable, and was friendly to our interests. Again, I have no problem with this. It's no different than you or I aiding the Democrats or the Republicans here in the United States. There is no doubt that Israel attacked the USS Liberty, I didn't mean to convey that I doubted that aspect of it. What I was referring to, were the deliberate allegations and how and why the attack took place. There are some of the allegations as to how and why Israel attacked the USS Liberty, that are unfounded. I don't know how you have come to the conclusion that Israel is responsible for the immigration policies here in the United States. If anyone or anything could be blamed on the curent immigration policies, I would place the finger and blame on Senator Ted Kennedy. Other than that, there is no doubt that the socialist-elitists in this Nation encourage an open door policy with Mexico, because they encourage a liberal socialistic voting block from these illegal voters. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > USS Liberty allegations; which are unproven > ---- > hogwash > In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 as full payment > to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, > Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had > been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as > settlement for the U.S. claim of $7,644,146 for material damage to the > Liberty itself.[8] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident > > I am baffled as to why we have not forced Israel to accept UN > Resolution > 242, > --- > again, the stranglehold jews have on our politicians in DC > > Israel is still an ally of the United States, > and a Western style democracy. Whether you like it, or don't like > it. > --- > an ally? > I don't consider a country that has destroyed our immigration laws, > spies on our government, illegally sells our technology to our > enemies, and uses our nation as a bodyguard an ally. > > the Jews and Israel are not the enemy right now, > --- > don't ignore the fact that jews are THE source of the socialist > movement and multiculturalism in our nation, fights against our > immigration laws, pulled us into fighting their enemies in the ME, > etc. > > the fanatical Muslims and > the Nation-States that they control are, and you continously miss the > big > picture on this issue. > --- > fanatical muslims vs the religious state of Israel vs the USA > choose sides carefully > > Again, there is a big divergence of opinion between the minority of > Ron Paul > supporters, who believe that it is interventionist to, "Carry A Big > Stick"; > I see nothing at all wrong with this aspect of our foreign policy, > --- > so, you think the USA should have been in Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, > etc? > the interventionist policy has been a failure around the globe 100% of > the time > > I don't > believe that we have been interventionists for the most part in the > Middle > East Region, and history proves me out. > --- > so, you've forgotten about the Shah, Sadam Hussein, Hamid Karzai and > host of others > well, you are getting old ... it's understandable. LOL! > > Just like the example of Paul claiming that we were at war with Iran > in > 1953, > --- > interfering in their affairs of another nation is considered an act of > war in my opinion > > because we supported the winning coup that overthrew a corrupt > government, (and replaced it with another corrupt government, *e.g*.; > the > Shah of Iran). > -- > you're improving my position > > Where Paul sees error with this action, I don't, and > neither do most of Americans. > --- > most ex-military and jews don't see anything wrong with interfering in > the affairs of other nations ... that they lose their lives for a > failed government policy is justice imo > > On Aug 18, 1:38 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > I take issue with a lot of Israel's policies; (I am also familiar with > the > > USS Liberty allegations; which are unproven). > > > > I am baffled as to why we have not forced Israel to accept UN Resolution > > 242, which allowed for a separate Jewish, as well as a Palestinian State. > > > > Having said all of the above, Israel is still an ally of the United > States, > > and a Western style democracy. Whether you like it, or don't like it. > > > > As I have said on numerous occasions to you, in a number of discussions, > > the Jews and Israel are not the enemy right now, the fanatical Muslims > and > > the Nation-States that they control are, and you continously miss the big > > picture on this issue. > > > > Again, there is a big divergence of opinion between the minority of Ron > Paul > > supporters, who believe that it is interventionist to, "Carry A Big > Stick"; > > I see nothing at all wrong with this aspect of our foreign policy, I > don't > > believe that we have been interventionists for the most part in the > Middle > > East Region, and history proves me out. > > > > Just like the example of Paul claiming that we were at war with Iran in > > 1953, because we supported the winning coup that overthrew a corrupt > > government, (and replaced it with another corrupt government, *e.g*.; > the > > Shah of Iran). Where Paul sees error with this action, I don't, and > > neither do most of Americans. > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:09 PM, plainolamerican > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do have a qualm with Iran having anything remotely capable of > > > blowing up > > > millions of folks > > > --- > > > and what about Pakistan and Israel? > > > both of these countries are filled with anti-American scum, yet they > > > get your pass? > > > > > face it, Keith ... US intervention policies fail every time. In the > > > middle east, US policies are slanted toward Israel's best interests > > > though they have attacked and killed our servicemen, bribe and spy on > > > our government officials, and have a stranglehold on our politicians > > > and immigration laws. > > > > > choose sides carefully > > > > > On Aug 18, 9:39 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Based on the actions of Iran and its theological government, no, I > don't > > > at > > > > all feel comfortable with Iran having a nuclear weapon. > > > > > > Yep, "We", (the United States) are the big kids on the block. > Despite > > > > this socialist Moonbat we have for a President, and the fact that > the > > > > economy is just flat out tanking today, we still live in the most > > > vibrant, > > > > (largest manufacturing country) creative, trend setting, free > market > > > > economy State, and most free-est (is that a word?) Nation-State in > the > > > > world. There are a lot of individuals collectively who are not > amused > > > by > > > > this, and hate us for what we are. Some are just downright envious. > > > > Nevertheless, we also have the largest arsenals of weaponry, and I > for > > > one > > > > have no qualm with that. > > > > > > I do have a qualm with Iran having anything remotely capable of > blowing > > > up > > > > millions of folks, and herein lies the distinction between you and I, > Ron > > > > Paul supporters nad the rest of the Republican (and most of the > > > Democrat) > > > > Party. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:27 AM, raymorphic <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "There is a distinction however, between "Intervention" and > > > > > "Isolation". > > > > > Dr. Paul espouses the latter..." > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > And There is a distinction between "Interventionism", "Non- > > > > > Interventionism", and "Isolationism" > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > Ron Paul is "Non-Interventionism". He wants to trade with people, > talk > > > > > to people, and be friends with people, but he does not want the > U.S. > > > > > to tell how other countries should live their live. > > > > > > > Ron Paul Educates McCain > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q9WzCrLuC4 > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > What's the rationale behind N. Non-Proliferation Treaty? > > > > > > > Irrational. > > > > > > > Legalization of big countries bullying smaller countries. > > > > > > > That's what it is. > > > > > > > "No one has answered – or until now, even asked – the obvious > > > > > question: Why is it that the United States can have a nuclear > arsenal > > > > > far larger than that of every other country in the world combined, > but > > > > > that Iran can’t have even a single nuclear bomb – especially when > > > > > Israel, Pakistan, and India have nuclear weapons?" > > > > > Harry Browne--(2005) > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > Suppose Iran does have one, so what? > > > > > > > All its neighboring countries have one. > > > > > > > Do you think they can just drop one without paying a heavy price > when > > > > > other countries retaliate? > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > > > For options & help seehttp:// > groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > > > > * It's active and moderated. 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