No one is in a rush to attack Iran, or North Korea, or any place that I can think --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBc2HyJVIao http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHcXRA2FgAw&feature=channel&list=UL
On Apr 25, 10:05 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Good Morning Michael! > > My apologies for not expounding more on your post yesterday, but alas, I > still have to work from time to time and on occasion, and I ran out of time > on this board, (which isn't unusual!) > > A couple of points: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > *As we have seen -- rhetoric aside -- is an Obama administration that > merely picked up when the Bush administration left off ... picking up where > Mr. Bill had left off ... Socialist A and Socialist B. The Rs hail and > cheer Socialist A while the Ds despise him ... similarly, the Ds hail and > cheer Socialist B while the Rs despise him. All the while America gets > further fucked.* > * * > * * > *What is it you imagine a Romney (who will not win) will do DIFFERENTLY? > You do realize that his Foreign Policy Advisors (for example) are ALL > retreads from Bush II? What type of revelations do you suppose these guys > have had?* > > ===== > > First, I am not sure who it is that you are referencing that is from the > Bush Camp that are now Romney's Foreign Advisors. Having said that, I > think most every conservative realizes that, "Nation Building" don't > work. > > I also don't believe that any Presidential Administration is going to be in > any rush to engage the United States in any combative/engaged, "Boots On > The Ground" military role that is not literally requisite for our National > Defense, nor do I believe that any Presidential Administration for the > next couple of decades is going to be able to afford it. > > In another thread, back several months ago, a similar discussion came up > between PlainOl and I, and I for one am not hearing the same "saber > rattling" (maybe with the exception of Santorum) that I concluded a lot > of Ron Paul supporters were hearing, during the Republican debates. No > one is in a rush to attack Iran, or North Korea, or any place that I can > think, of world "Hot Spots" right now. > > I mentioned yesterday that Ron Paul is a consumate politician. He has > done some things that are counter to his message, for instance, voting > "Nay" on spending bills when he knew the bill would pass, in order to > protect his record, but nevertheless loading the bill up with pork for his > Congressional District. By example: > > *Paul made over **$157 million in earmark requests for FY > 2011*<http://www.americanindependent.com/160697/ron-paul-one-of-only-four-h...> > *, one of only four House Republicans to request any earmarks. > Additionally, he made over $398 million in earmark requests for FY 2010, > again one of the leading Republican House members. These earmark requests > include:* > * * > > * * > - *$8 million from federal taxpayers for Recreational Fishing Piers.** * > - *$2.5 million from taxpayers for "new benches, trash receptacles, bike > racks, decorative street lighting."** * > - *$2.5 million from taxpayers to modify medians and sidewalks for an > "Economically Disadvantaged" area.** * > - *$2.5 million from federal taxpayers for a "Revelation Missionary > Baptist Community Outreach Center."** * > - *$38 million in multiple requests for literacy programs to "encourage > parents to read aloud to their children."** * > - *$18 million from federal taxpayers for a Commuter Rail Preliminary > Engineering Phase (light rail).** * > - *$4 million from federal taxpayers for the "Trails and Sidewalks > Connectivity Initiative."** * > - *$11 million from federal taxpayers for a "Community-Based Job > Training Program."** * > - *$2 million from federal taxpayers for a "Clean Energy" pilot project.* > * * > - *$5 million from federal taxpayers in order to build a parking garage.* > * * > - *$1.2 million for a "Low-income working families Day Care Program"** * > - *$4.5 million from federal taxpayers for a new Youth Fair facility.* > > * * > > *All of the above earmarks can be found on **Paul's own congressional > website*<http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10...> > *. While Paul does not digitize the requests prior to FY 2011, they're > still available as PDFs. Paul typically will make the earmark request, but > then votes against or abstains from voting on final passage, so he can > maintain his claim to have "never voted for an earmark", even the earmark > requests he himself made. **He defends the practice > here.*<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTyHbGcUQY> > > http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Ron-Paul-s-Earmarks > > *While representing himself for decades as the sworn enemy of overspending, > the good doctor has had his snout deep in the earmark trough. In 2007, the > Wall Street Journal > **reported*<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118636043871288806.html?mod=yahoo_itp> > *, "The Congressman disclosed his requests this year for about $400 million > worth of federal funding for no fewer than 65 earmarks. They include such > urgent national wartime priorities as an $8 million request for the > marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to fund shrimp-fishing > research." And this is the man who had the effrontery to berate Ronald > Reagan for deficit spending.* > > http://spectator.org/archives/2011/09/13/the-hypocrisy-of-ron-paul > > Don't get me wrong, as I have long held and espoused, I find Dr. Paul a > "Breath of Fresh Air" in the Republican Party, and I think he has done a > world of good. I have also long held that Dr. Paul would be an excellent > Sectretary of the Treasury, and I am not sure that this is not already > pegged, what with the Romney campaign and the Paul campaign working > hand-in-hand during the Republican Primaries: > > http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/24/news/la-pn-ron-paul-mitt-romn... > > http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-what-is-romney-promising-ron-... > > http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-theorizes-that-mitt-romn... > > I think it's important to "re-emphasize" that Congressman Paul has made > his intentions well known for the last 120 days. That is to say, that he > wants a prime time slot during the Republican Convention here in Tampa, > and would like to influence the Republican Party Platform. No doubt, many > of the conservatives who were running, most identifiable was Newt > Gingrich, pretty much adopted most ALL of Paul's fiscal and economic > policies. Gingrich has even gone so far as to re-think his objection to > the U.S. going back to the Gold Standard. I was one who didn't believe > that this was possible in the New Millennium, but I too have changed my > opinion on this aspect, now knowing that China is attempting to do the same > thing. > > Just as important, Ron Paul has blazed a trail for his son, Senator Rand > Paul from Tennessee. No question, Rand Paul is the darling of the > "conservative/Tea Party" movement, and I think more identifiable with > conservative principals and tenets than Marco Rubio. > > ============= > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > *Let's see a LIST of these so-called 'untruthful' statements-- not merely > some veiled generalities. > Please DEFINE 'conservative' so we might have a basis upon which tomeasure.* > > ====== > > Okay: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=player_embedded > > Most everything in this video is prevaricate and misleading. If you want > me to break it down for you, I will in another thread. > > http://spectator.org/archives/2011/09/13/the-hypocrisy-of-ron-paul > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/ron-pauls-misle... > > http://www.westernjournalism.com/is-ron-pauls-what-if-china-had-bases... > > http://www.examiner.com/article/ron-paul-decries-u-s-adventurism-call... > > http://zbigniewmazurak.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/ron-pauls-lies-about-... > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2856439/posts > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh-ty6F63g8 > > http://stuffedsuits.com/component/content/article/68-presidential-cam... > > (I could go on and on and on......) > > ================== > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > With all due respect, to suggest that there is no difference between the > > Republican Party and the Democrat Party, or that there is no difference > > between President Obama and Ron Paul, or President Obama and Mitt Romney, > > or President Obama and Newt Gingrich is asinine, but yet you continue to > > expound upon this theory day in and day out. > > > I realize that the Rs TALK about being FOR A, B, C, D and E and AGAINST F, > > G, H, I and J while the Ds TALK about being AGAINST A, B, C, D and E and > > FOR F, G, H, I and J but with the exception of the RARE (temporary) bone > > that is thrown, they work in concert to further the FASCISM that is endemic > > in America. All these 'show issues' are put back in the closet until the > > NEXT election cycle beckons for them. This 'trend' goes back PAST Roosevelt > > and his embrace ... > > > As we have seen -- rhetoric aside -- is an Obama administration that > > merely picked up when the Bush administration left off ... picking up where > > Mr. Bill had left off ... Socialist A and Socialist B. The Rs hail and > > cheer Socialist A while the Ds despise him ... similarly, the Ds hail and > > cheer Socialist B while the Rs despise him. All the while America gets > > further fucked. > > > What is it you imagine a Romney (who will not win) will do DIFFERENTLY? > > You do realize that his Foreign Policy Advisors (for example) are ALL > > retreads from Bush II? What type of revelations do you suppose these guys > > have had? > > > I made no claims that Ron Paul -- who, unlike MOST, has a long track > > record to support his rhetoric -- was the same as Obama. > > > During the Republican primaries, both Paul's and Romney's campaigns > > broadcast prevaricate, outright untruthful statements against ALL other > > candidates, ALL of which were > > ... > > read more » -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
