Are you this so totally backward, or are you just so pissed off --- neither ... just intolerant of those who would try to make the USA a religious state.
Christians and Christianity was the founding precepts of the U.S., ---- why not mention the jewish founding precepts also? our secular government doesn't recognize christianity as anything other than a protected religion. LOL! Pitiful PlainOl. Goofy too. --- armed with a secular Constitution that keeps kooky religious myth believers in the cross hairs and out of influence. LOL! On Aug 11, 8:17 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Geesh.....Are you this so totally backward, or are you just so pissed off > that Christians and Christianity was the founding precepts of the U.S., > and you want to re-write history so bad you can taste it? > > LOL! Pitiful PlainOl. Goofy too. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and > > tenets' might be. > > ---- > > let me go first ... !!! > > first ... they think that the principles that were adopted were > > christian principles, which in many cases is a faulty presumption. > > > Examples: > > > Religious freedom - Nothing unique to christians. Didn't the Romans > > allow the jews to practice their religion? > > Is that what the christians are offering muslims today in America? > > > Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state - Thousands > > of government have given authority to a god. > > They are demanding that non-believers submit to a mythical authority. > > > Sanctity of life - They are still trying to outlaw abortion, stem cell > > research, suicide, etc. > > > All men are sinners - Pushing their mythical religious guilt onto > > others. Very protestant. > > > All men created equal - christians, like jews and muzzies, don't > > consider non-believers equal. > > > Judicial, legislative, and executive branches - Not unique to > > christianity. Can still produce terrible decisions. > > > Church protected from state control (& taxation), but church to > > influence the state. - Oh, like the religious state of israel? No > > thanks. > > > Republican form of government and warnings against kings but in favor > > of Godly rulers. - It's not the government job to promote those they > > see as godly. Finding honest men is better than finding religious myth > > believers. > > > Importance of governing self and family as first level of governance. > > - Yet they endorse intervention in the middle east. > > > Fair trial with witnesses. - not unique to christianity nor cited in > > decision. > > > Private property rights. - not uniquely christian > > > -------------------------------------- > > > Justice Brewer was the author of the unanimous opinion of the Court in > > Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States (143 U.S. 457, 36 L.Ed. > > 226, 12 S. Ct. 511 February 29, 1892), which addressed a dispute over > > an employment contract between an Anglican priest and the titular > > church. Justice Brewer's statement in that opinion, "These, and many > > other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial > > declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a > > Christian nation" is often incorrectly cited as part of the > > controlling ruling in the matter, which is not the case. Indeed, > > Justice Brewer's book, The United States: A Christian Nation, > > published in 1905,contained the following passage: > > > But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian > > nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion > > or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the > > contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall > > make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the > > free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all > > its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the > > contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of > > our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is > > it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a > > condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, > > or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, > > the government as a legal organization is independent of all > > religions. > > > On Aug 10, 1:20 pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and tenets' > > might be. > > > I am especially interested in primary source materials where <insert > > Founder> claims <book/chapter/verse> applies to <article/section/clause> > > and similar. > > > The DoI, for instance, impugns the Divine Rights of Kings -- which is > > the biblically based Government. > > > Regard$, > > > --MJ > > > The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example > > of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are > > now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, > > hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in > > their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American > > governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in > > America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be > > pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the > > gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those > > at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it > > will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely > > by the use of reason and the senses.... > > > -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the > > United States of America" [1787-1788];At 01:58 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:As > > much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear, it must really suck, > > to see the truth Plain Ol.....That this Nation was, and still is founded > > upon Christian principles and tenets. No matter whether you like it, or > > don't like it, this, is your heritage. > > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, plainolamerican < > > [email protected]> wrote:the German government of the 1920s > > enthusiastically supported andpromoted Barnes's views as exonerating their > > country, while thepostwar West German government accepted national > > responsibility forthe Holocaust, solicited forgiveness and paid reparations > > to Jewishsurvivors.On Aug 10, 10:03 am, Travis <[email protected]> > > wrote:> Ever read Harry Elmer Barnes?>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM, > > Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote:>>>>>>>> > Here's a short > > video of one of the "Churches" in the heart of D.C.;> > worth a > > watch.....This should fit the bill of MJ's definition of> > "revisionist > > history":>> >http://stg.do/Iwpc>> > --> > Thanks for being part of > > "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.> > For options & help seehttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>> > * Visit our other community > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>> > * > > It's active and moderated. 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