I don't think I am following your logic or theory Michael. I understand that you are opposed to any income tax, (I think?)
But what is the distinction between each individual paying the exact rate, and what Brine is suggesting, under the "Fair Tax" Legislation? Are you suggesting that everyone pay the same "Amount"? How would this amount be determined? On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > How is that in any way 'fair'? > When you go to the local burger joint, they do not ask you for an income > statement in order to calculate the price of the burger. > That Government should be wholly funded by voluntary contribution > notwithstanding (nothing is 'fair' about being forced to pay for what you > may not even want) ... if one is to be FORCED to fund Government ... what > is (second) 'fairest' would be for every Individual -- regardless of > grouping -- to pay exactly the SAME amount. This would ENCOURAGE a rate > approaching zero. > > AGAIN, what is 'failr' about one person paying more or less than another > person for the monopoly 'service' Government? > > Regard$, > --MJ > > "Of all debts men are least willing to pay the taxes. What a satire is > this on government! Everywhere they think they get their money’s worth, > except for these (taxes)" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson. > > > > At 03:28 PM 6/3/2013, you wrote: > > What is fair is that everybody would be paying the same proportion of > their earnings ... a sliding scale where people pay no tax and others pay > tax is unfair!!! > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > How is that 'fair'? > What is 'fair' about one person paying more or less than another person > for the monopoly 'service' Government? > > Regard$, > --MJ > > "If, then, taxation is compulsory, and is therefore indistinguishable from > theft, it follows that the State, which subsists on taxation, is a vast > criminal organization far more formidable and successful than any “private” > Mafia in history." > -- Murray Rothbard > > > > > > At 05:25 PM 6/2/2013, you wrote: > > That is why a flat tax with no deductions/exemptions is the only fair > tax!!! > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:33 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: The Rich > Pay Most of the Taxes, Get Half the Tax Breaks. Democrats Are Outraged at > Tax Breaks. by Gary North on May 30, 2013 > The liberal Washington Post ran this headline: Richest 20 percent get half > the overall savings from U.S. tax breaks, CBO says. The CBO is the > Congressional Budget Office. > The story began: > > “The 10 largest breaks in the U.S. tax code will save taxpayers more > than $900 billion this year, with a little more than half the benefits > flowing to the richest 20 percent of households, congressional budget > analysts said Wednesday. And the richest 1 percent of households, those > with at least $327,000 in annual income, get an especially big haul about > 17 percent of the total savings, according to the report by the > Congressional Budget Office.” > > We know what’s coming. > > “Democrats seized on the new analysis, saying it provides fresh support > for President Obama’s claim that limiting tax breaks for the rich offers a > more sensible path to deficit reduction than sharp cuts to agency budgets, > known as the sequester. The sequester, which took effect March 1, will cut > U.S. agency spending by roughly $42 billion through Oct. 1.” > > Obama originally promoted the sequester. Now he is pretending the > Reoublicans did it. But he signed the bill into law in 2011. > > “Republicans, too, welcomed the report, saying it sheds new light on > potential policy choices as lawmakers in both parties consider a > comprehensive overhaul of the tax code. While Democrats want to limit tax > breaks to generate new revenue for the government, Republicans want to > return the money to taxpayers in the form of a simpler code with lower > rates for everyone.” > > A simpler tax code? That’ll be the day! > > What are these tax loopholes? > > “According to the CBO, the biggest tax breaks by dollar value this > fiscal year are the tax-free treatment of employer-provided health > insurance (about $260 billion), preferential rates for dividends and > capital gains ($160 billion) and tax-free contributions to retirement > savings ($140 billion). Deductions for state and local taxes ($80 billion), > mortgage interest ($70 billion) and contributions to charity ($40 billion) > are also among the top 10, as is the tax-free treatment of capital gains on > assets transferred at death ($50 billion).” > > Do you think Congress, which wrote the tax code, will soon alienate all > the PAC donors who use these exemptions? I don’t think so. > > Senator Snort is not going to vote to do away with the income tax > deduction for mortgage interest payments. > > With ObamaCare in tatters, not ready for implementation on January 1, > 2014, will Congress now abolish the tax-free income associated with > corporate payments for health care insurance? > > The Washington Post then mentions this politically inconvenient fact: > “Some argue that it might be reasonable for the rich to receive a large > portion of the benefit from federal tax breaks because they pay an outsize > share of federal taxes. According to the independent Tax Policy Center, the > richest 20 percent of households paid nearly 70 percent of federal taxes > last year.” Yes, “some” do argue this. That is because it’s true. > > The Washington Post reporter then adds the obligatory “but.” > > “But the CBO noted that tax breaks are essentially equivalent to > government spending, intended to encourage and subsidize various behaviors, > such as buying a home, saving for retirement and giving to charities. The > rich are likely to engage in those activities even without such “financial > assistance,” raising the question of whether that money could be better > spent on other priorities.” > > Got that? A tax break taking less of your money is a government > subsidy. And it surely is . . . if you begin with the presumption that the > federal government owns 100% of everyone’s income. Then when it lets voters > keep some of their income, this is a government subsidy to you. > > It’s all a matter of perspective. It all begins with a view of who owns > you. The CBO assumes that the federal government owns you. > > Fact: all tax laws encourage and subsidize “behaviors.” That is why > Congress writes them. Congressmen want to encourage the behavior of getting > special-interest groups to contribute to Congressional re-election > campaigns. And let me assure you, this strategy works. > > Then what does the phrase “other priorities” mean? It means government > boondoggles. > > I suggest this priority: cut taxes, thereby encouraging this “behavior.” > Encourage taxpayers to decide what to do with more of their own money. But > this priority does not appeal to Washington Post reporters . . . or to > Congress. > > Continue Reading on > www.washingtonpost.com<http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/richest-20-percent-get-half-the-overall-savings-from-tax-breaks-cbo-says/2013/05/29/645f75c6-c894-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html> > > > http://teapartyeconomist.com/2013/05/30/the-rich-pay-most-of-the-taxes-get-half-the-tax-breaks-democrats-are-outraged/#ixzz2V57lqQVX > <http://teapartyeconomist.com/2013/05/30/the-rich-pay-most-of-the-taxes-get-half-the-tax-breaks-democrats-are-outraged/#ixzz2V57lqQVX> > -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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