Doesn't one have to be at least a little bit "nationalist" in order to 
celebrate Veterans' Day?

I consider myself unnationalist.  Also I'm not patriotic in the usual sense 
of the word.  I might appear to be anti-war, but I'm not anti-all-wars, 
just anti-some-wars.

I disagree with part of the article.  R. Higgs says, 

"As religion’s hold on the Western man’s mind has diminished during the 
past several centuries, replaced by a cold scientific sense that, at 
bottom, everything is just a lot of lifeless particles and electrical 
currents or, in many cases, replaced by nothing at all, this empty space 
has dilated."  

I suppose it's probably true that religions' holds on Western minds has 
diminished during the past several centuries.  And yes, it is _partly_ 
replaced by what could be called a "scientific sense".  However, I disagree 
with the way he characterizes the result.  A scientific sense, and a 
diminishment of religions' holds, do not have to be "cold" and do not have 
to lead to the conclusion that there's a lifeless nothingness to 
everything.  And they do not have to lead to ethical blankness either.

What I believe is that, as people learn more about a variety of cultures, 
they question religions more, and they learn to think for themselves more. 
 I think this is generally a good thing.  Given time, the thoughtful person 
will eventually come to some of the same ideas that were in the 
religion(s), but will de-emphasize or forsake the more wrong parts of 
religion(s).

For example, a person might realize that life is more satisfying when 
treating outsiders with respect or kindness.  (It's not always feasible, 
but one can try to do it more and more.)  A similar principle was in the 
religion.  But now he understands it in a different way.  Meanwhile, he 
de-emphasizes or even stops doing things like burnt-animal sacrifices or 
Spanish Inquisitions.  All these things could be described in science-y 
ways, but I'd say it's really just thoughtfulness, that is, thinking and 
trying to do the right things because they make sense in one's own mind. 
 And I think it's exposure to _different_ ways of thinking (more than one 
way of thinking) that leads to this kind of thoughtfulness.

Thoughtfulness and good behavior can happen in religion, but I think that 
for many people, including myself, they work better with the less-religious 
thoughtfulness.

-jrl

On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:29:46 PM UTC-8, MJ wrote:
>
>  
>
> *Nationalism -- the Bane of the Modern Age *By Robert Higgs  
> Saturday April 27, 2013 
>
> Everyone, it seems, has a hollow space in his makeup. Perhaps he has no 
> faith, no hope, no charity; no sense that he is basically a lord or a 
> priest or a peasant; no comfort in knowing his personal latitude and 
> longitude in the great scheme of things; no ethical compass to give him his 
> bearings and help him navigate between what is right and what is wrong, 
> what is good and what is bad.
>
> As religion’s hold on the Western man’s mind has diminished during the 
> past several centuries, replaced by a cold scientific sense that, at 
> bottom, everything is just a lot of lifeless particles and electrical 
> currents or, in many cases, replaced by nothing at all, this empty space 
> has dilated. Into the vacuum of ethical emptiness and absent personal 
> identity has rushed nationalism. More and more people answered the 
> question, “What are you?” by saying “I am a Frenchmen,” or a German, or an 
> American, or whatever. State rulers, of course, actively strove to 
> encourage such mass identification because it rendered the masses easier to 
> exploit, plunder, and command. The culmination came in the world wars, when 
> scores of millions submitted to kill and to die in the service of 
> nationalism.
>
> Americans, perhaps more than any others, are immersed in nationalism, 
> drenched to the bone. It follows them everywhere ­ to school, to work, to 
> their amusements and entertainments, even in many cases into their 
> churches. They wallow in it, and they wallow happily. The merest village 
> idiot takes pride that “We are #1,” whatever such a declaration might mean. 
> Usually, sad to say, it means only that the idiot’s rulers in Washington 
> have their hands on the levers and buttons that allow them to dish out 
> violent death and effective intimidation on a global scale. Hooray for us, 
> he proclaims; we’re the biggest, baddest bully in the history of mankind. 
> Yet, this pathetic individual, and the hundreds of millions who resemble 
> him more or less, are really nothing at all. Their inner selves are 
> entirely ersatz; their moral core is devoid of real substance. They have 
> effectively surrendered their souls, their minds, and their capacity for 
> living a moral life to politician/rulers who shamelessly pull the strings 
> of their identity.
>
> Nationalism and its fruit ­ the powerful welfare/warfare nation-states 
> that now infest virtually the entire planet ­ are the banes of the modern 
> age. Their fundamental resources are violence and fraud, and their most 
> indispensable fraud is the conviction they have inculcated in their 
> subjects that the people’s very identity, the very essence of who they are, 
> derives from and depends on the nation-state that dominates their lives.
>
> http://blog.independent.org/2013/04/27/nationalism-the-bane-of-the-modern-age/
>  
>

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