Well isn't this fascinating! Plain Ol' has become a follower of the Reverend Ted Pike of TruthTellers.org! Why the conversion from your agnostic/atheist beliefs to such dogmatic Christianity Plain Ol'?
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > > > *1) The devout Muslim’s inherent disdain for infidels. ----* > The Talmudic position concerning deception of Gentiles is embodied in the > Halachic dictum, "It is permitted to deceive a goy (Gentile)." [1] In legal > and business matters, the Talmud says Gentiles are beneath equality with > Jews. As the 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia explains [2], the Gentiles were > "outlawed" by God from the beginning. The passage in Moses' farewell > address: 'The Lord came form Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he > shined forth from Mount Paran'. . . indicates that the Almighty offered the > Torah to the Gentile nations also, but, since they refused to accept it, He > withdrew His 'shining' legal protection form them, and transferred their > property rights to Israel.Another reason for discrimination was the vile > and vicious character of the Gentiles... With such a character it would > naturally be quite unsafe to trust a Gentile as a witness He could not be > depended upon to keep his promise or word of honor like a Jew." (Bek. 13b) > > According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court > for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical > authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are > quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the > Romans are not even mentioned. > > The more popular accounts -- which were nevertheless taken quite seriously > -- such as the notorious *Toldot Yeshu* are even worse, for in addition > to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name "Jesus" > was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable, and this popular tradition > still persists. The Gospels are equally detested, and they are not allowed > to be quoted (let alone taught) even in modern Israeli Jewish schools. > > Israel Shahak, *Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Two > Thousand Years *(London: Pluto Press, 1994), 97-98. > > On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:34:03 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh, those Tender Muslim Feelings! >> >> >> >> http://nocompulsion.com/oh-those-tender-muslim-feelings/<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Foh-those-tender-muslim-feelings%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGJOZaM2X51HGPi9sAxrG7rE81RrA> >> >> November 20, >> 2013<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Foh-those-tender-muslim-feelings%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGJOZaM2X51HGPi9sAxrG7rE81RrA> >> >> mkamal<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Fauthor%2Fmkamal%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF78rUy4HUz2wabWXYlEXisEtsERw> >> >> Reply<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Foh-those-tender-muslim-feelings%2F%23respond&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNENHCVOsZGyvuR-aM6G5smNUulg-w> >> >> [image: >> Screen-Shot-2013-11-19-at-6.40.19-PM-300x265]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FScreen-Shot-2013-11-19-at-6.40.19-PM-300x2651.png&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFPzhznJghGSYqkHrt1cQlkdinnLQ> >> >> “Freedom of Expression is Western Terrorism.” That’s right – from the >> *tres*-twisted perspective of the muslim believers, *expressing your >> opinion*, via the written or spoken word (or a cartoon or film) is >> equivalent to blowing up a busload of infidel commuters, or flying a >> jetliner into a skyscraper full of innocent people. >> >> >> >> This analogy seems a little out of whack, to say the least….until you >> consider that Muslim feelings are very, *very* sensitive. We’re talking >> Princess and the Pea sensitive. In fact, Muslim feelings are *so *sensitive >> that if, for instance, you were to suggest to the average Allah junkie that >> Muhammad was a narcissistic con man who pulled off a colossal fraud at the >> expense of 1.5 billion credulous dupes….well, you might as well be sticking >> bamboo splinters under his fingernails. It’s *that *painful for him. >> >> >> >> Why are they so sensitive? I think there are several explanations for >> this – all of which can come into play when Muslims throw their violent >> temper tantrums. >> >> >> >> *1) The devout Muslim’s inherent disdain for infidels. * >> >> *The* central theme that keeps appearing in the Koran and the hadiths >> books (words and deeds of Mohammed), over and over again, is the idea that >> those who reject Islam are godless kafirs who are despised by Allah. And >> the True Believer, taking his cue from Allah, also friggin’ *hates *kafirs. >> Hates, hates, *hates* ’em. So he *doesn’t* want to hear any shit >> regarding his precious religion from those evil, fornicating, >> soon-to-be-roasting-in-hell kafir bastards. (Who, we might add, he >> *hates*.) >> >> >> >> The general consensus seems to be that most devout Muslims really cannot >> fathom how any decent person could choose to reject Islam. The >> brainwashing in Muslim cultures is so thorough that devotees often come to >> the conclusion that anyone who passes on the opportunity to embrace Islam >> must be doing it out of pure spite – a spite directed at Allah himself. >> This makes the infidel an object of disgust for the True Believers, whose >> worldview is very much an *Us vs.Them *arrangement. (The “House of >> Islam” vs. the “House of War”, in the Muslim parlance.) So, you’re off to >> a bad start with them, even before you start dissing their bat-shit >> religion. >> >> Don’t forget that according to many authentic hadiths (words and deeds of >> Mohammed sacred books), the prophet of islam himself use to murder his >> opponents and criticizers; So muslims have the obligation to take him as >> the highest moral example to them, and emulate him in everything to this >> day, that’s considered a “sunna” (one of the tenants of islam) is to do as >> Mohammed use to do exactly. >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2013-11-19 at 6.39.31 >> PM]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FScreen-Shot-2013-11-19-at-6.39.31-PM.png&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFINGNrFgGcByxKnbraM1iKtDQLzw> >> >> *2) Souls are on the line!* >> >> Another reason for Ahmed’s sensitivity to religious criticism is the >> “fact” that any Muslim who’s led astray by smart-alecky infidels will miss >> out on all that hot sex action in Paradise. For many Western men, one >> brief three-way is the dream of a lifetime – but Ahmed has earnest hopes >> for a *seventy*-*three*-way that lasts for eternity. (Prudish Christian >> puppet-masters take note: *this* is how you motivate the fellas!) In >> fact, missing out on the Seventy-Two Virgins Buffet makes burning in hell >> seem a little redundant, IMO. Bottom line for Ahmed: reason and skepticism >> (or rival superstitions) will cause you some *serious* regrets in the >> afterlife. Therefore, it’s *really *important that he be insulated from >> the critical thinking (and religious fantasies) of outsiders. Anything >> that might cause him to think twice about his belief system must be >> brutally and energetically suppressed. Because, after all…. >> *seventy-two? *That’s a lot of cha-cha! >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2013-11-19 at 6.41.14 >> PM]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FScreen-Shot-2013-11-19-at-6.41.14-PM.png&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHDvsWmTPU8OnU_bXTGhoDRATrt0Q> >> >> *3) The more obvious the fraud, the more violently it must be defended.* >> >> >> I think that, on a conscious level, the vast majority of Muslims believe >> their religion to be the genuine article – a gift from Allah (the islamic >> God) himself, to anyone who’s sensible and pure-hearted enough to accept >> it. As I’ve said, the brainwashing tends to be pretty thorough. >> >> >> >> *However*….there’s the stuff we tell ourselves, over and over, when >> we’re awake and coherent and trying to keep our cozy worldview intact….and >> then there are those niggling little ideas that sneak up on us now and >> then, to torment us by calling that worldview into question. That’s *the >> devil *talkin’, as some would have it. Others might suggest that those >> pesky doubts, when they come to religious folk, are what’s left of a >> person’s rational mind, trying desperately to save itself from the >> brain-numbing effects of superstition and blind faith. >> >> >> >> Because their brains have been more thoroughly pickled by Magic Thinking >> than the average 21st Century Unitarian, devout Muslims are more immune to >> the religious skepticism that results from rational thought. But they are >> still *human*, after all! (He said charitably.) So surely, on some >> level, some Muslims must realize that their religion’s truth-claims seem a >> little…iffy. Therefore Islam requires the sort of violent, hair-trigger >> response we often see, in order to survive its frequent collisions with >> reality. >> >> >> >> The problem, for any True Believer who still has a few functioning brain >> cells rattling around in his superstition-besotted noggin, is that his >> religion has “Man-Made” stamped all over it. The self-serving chicanery of >> the prophet Muhammad was pretty obvious to any ten-year-old who was paying >> attention. Even his child-bride, Aisha, commented on it. Perhaps only the >> father of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, was a more obvious fraud – and only by >> a slight margin. So some of the better-informed Muslims must be secretly >> wrestling with doubt, which expresses itself in rage whenever outsiders >> show a lack of respect for their rickety ideology. >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2013-11-19 at 6.43.06 >> PM]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FScreen-Shot-2013-11-19-at-6.43.06-PM.png&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGtm97LCwSIncQedKjpR6kAgP2ZDQ> >> >> *4) Being a Muslim costs you.* >> >> I think it’s likely that Muslim intolerance for criticism is heightened >> by the fact that they give up a *lot *to be part of that system. >> They’ve got a lot invested in the franchise, so they want to see it >> prosper. Ahmed is part of the most sexually-repressed culture on earth. >> He can’t even get a good *look* at a Muslim girl who’s past the age of >> puberty, much less touch her. His societies are among the poorest in the >> world (unless they’re sitting on oil). They’re hopelessly out of step with >> the modern world. And they tend to be joyless hell-holes, full of sullen, >> violence-prone pricks like himself. Therefore, his religion, which creates >> this culture and these grim circumstances, had damn sure* better* be >> true. It had damn well *better* be his ticket to Paradise. I think >> that, on the whole, Ahmed actually does believe his religion to be the >> Real Deal; but he doesn’t want to hear anyone suggest otherwise, because he >> can’t even entertain that possibility. He’s got too much riding on his >> cosmological bet. So there’s a little *tension* there, in other words. >> >> >> >> But the *primary* reason for all of the rioting and rampaging and >> hysteria… >> >> >> >> *5) Muslim outrage is so effective! * >> >> Aside from these ideological and psychological factors, it’s obvious that >> Muslims use their extreme “sensitivity” in a calculated effort to silence >> criticism. They’ve learned that if they react to criticism by protesting >> and rioting like a bunch of violent, infantile brats – maybe burning down >> an embassy or two, and murdering a few infidels, the politically-correct >> establishment types in the West will do everything in their power to >> discourage the “offensive” remarks, or cartoons, books, or films. Western >> politicians and religious leaders will line up to condemn the “hurtful” >> statements regarding the Religion of Peace. Freedom of speech be damned. >> “Muslim feelings” and “community cohesion” trump all. >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2013-11-19 at 6.44.10 >> PM]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fnocompulsion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FScreen-Shot-2013-11-19-at-6.44.10-PM.png&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHzR211A9pGf7YGEIArqfw2bEKvZQ>On >> one level, this site is my way of telling angry Muslims that they can damn >> well *piss off!* – because, at this point, some of us really don’t >> give a damn if they’re insulted. Islam itself is *deeply *insulting, to >> all decent, progressive-minded people. Islam is a problem that needs to be >> dealt with, publicly and honestly. Polite silence will not get the job >> done. So the childish, tantrum-throwing, hypersensitive types need to just >> shut the hell up for five minutes, and let the grown-ups do some talking. >> >> >> >> Sorry to be so insensitive and all. But, in the real world, there are >> other things that actually matter, besides the god-damn precious feelings >> of Muslims. It *matters *that their religion is a black hole of moral >> depravity, masquerading as something holy. It *matters *that Muslim >> women are still treated like chattel in the 21st Century. It *matters* that >> Islam motivates terrorists and assassins around the world. And it >> *really *matters that the forces of Islam are steadily eroding the core >> freedoms that form the backbone of the civilized world – free speech and >> freedom of the press. >> >> >> >> Providing further proof that the only honest Muslim (regarding the >> subject of Islam, anyway) is a *former *Muslim, Ibn Warraq, author of *Why >> I Am Not a Muslim*, said the following in response to the *Fitna *fiore: >> “It is perverse for the western media to lament the lack of an Islamic >> reformation and willfully ignore works such as (Geert) Wilders’ film, >> *Fitna*. How do they think reformation will come about if not with >> criticism? *There is no such right as ‘the right not to be offended’*; >> indeed, I am deeply offended by the contents of the Koran, with its overt >> hatred of Christians, Jews, apostates, non-believers, homosexuals but >> cannot demand its suppression.” (Overwrought bold italics are mine.) >> >> >> >> Muslims will just have to get used to infidels talking smack about their >> stupid religion, because their efforts to silence their critics have >> recently begun to backfire on them. (In some places, anyway.) People are >> getting tired of having their essential liberties threatened by a pack of >> angry, bearded zealots whom time and enlightenment have passed by. And >> those people are starting to push back. Let’s hope this nascent trend >> continues. >> >> >> >> Better still, let’s all do our part to make *sure* that it does. >> >> >> __._,_.___ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __,_._,___ >> >> >> -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "PoliticalForum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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