On 11 Feb 2014, at 18:35, Rob Janssen <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Widespread uptake of source address filtering is just not going to happen.
> Wasn't that claimed in the days of the open SMTP relay as well?

Nope.

> Yet, the problem was resolved.

Only in part. There are still open relays out there and things like the SORBS 
blacklist remain active.

Besides, that's a flawed analogy. There were very few MTA implementations in 
the early days of the Internet. So when sendmail stopped being an open relay by 
default, that problem largely went away. In any case, there's a world of 
difference between running a mail server and keeping the packets moving in an 
operational network that has complex, continuously changing iteractions with 
many third parties.

I suggest that rather than make sweeping statements here about how 
simple/quick/cheap/straightforward it would be for everyone to deploy source 
address validation/filtering, you actually make that deployment happen. A good 
starting point would be to discuss your plan with the ISPs and hosting 
companies at your nearest Internet exchange. You won't need to do that on this 
list so I hope we can now stop this thread here. FYI I have had those sorts of 
conversations with IXPs and ISPs and it's been explained why "although we'd 
*really, really* like to do source address filtering/validation there are 
compelling technical and business reasons for not switching that on".



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