Marc Espie <es...@nerim.net> writes:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 07:07:59PM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 06:09:12PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: >> >> > > Do we tell them to peak into FreeBSD ports anywhere? >> >> > Unless that's been removed from the ports FAQ or general advice recently, >> > yes. >> >> There's no reference to NetBSD or FreeBSD in the ports FAQ. >> >> While I have known folks to be told to look at how FreeBSD ported something >> for complicated software, it's not to use their _port_, it's to see what >> they needed to adapt it to a BSD. >> >> Advice about things like EXTRACT_CASES that has been obsolete for more >> than _20_ years. (introduced by commit 1.12 to bsd.port.mk >> http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/share/man/man5/bsd.port.mk.5.diff?r1=1.11&r2=1.12&f=h) >> >> > It is a good idea to see what other BSDs did, since we're still closer >> > to them than anything linux. >> >> Well, if we've got ancient, out of date information in our man pages, we >> may be more like Linux than I would like. > > Sigh... there's some information in there that shouldn't be entirely removed > in any case. > > Remember that this discussion came, in the first place, from someone who > didn't figure out he was reading stuff that was referring to removed stuff > (even though that section is littered with keywords and past tense). First off. This is _entirely_ uncalled for. This kind of backhanded remark is what tarnishes OpenBSD's name. And rightfully so. Shame on you. > > Anyhow, at least the fact that some stuff no longer exists (such as some > pre/post hooks) for actual good reasons cannot totally go away like that. > > As for looking up other BSDs: it's something that was somehow entirely > removed when revamping the porting guide. I had not noticed before. > > I don't think it is such a good idea. Some of us still use other BSDs > as "cheat-sheet", and it's routinely mentionned in discussion among porters. > > And it's generally assumed that, in case you run into a problem you *will* > check whether other BSDs ran into the same problem and how they solved it. > > Yeah, their ports are different, but peeking at the > other BSDs is often a very quick way to ascertain how much you're going > to have to port when starting a new probject. > > There is a suspicious commit to guide.html (1.55) which does remove > references to the FreeBSD and NetBSD porting guide. > > date: 2016/04/17 21:31:53; author: tj; state: Exp; lines: +868 -706; > commitid: iIlpeQWLXUolwtTP; > sync porter's handbook formatting with the main faq style. And after all that time, no one noticed. It's really hard to not see this thread as "espie just yelling because he is angry"! > > Since that's supposed to be a formatting commit, I'm reasonably sure that > removal was not intentional at all.
