After leaving Split Enz and before forming the rather ordinary Schnell Fenster Phil Judd had a band called the Swingers which had a couple of hits in Aus & NZ with _It Ain't What You Dance_ and the local classic _Counting The Beat_ which I believe made #1 pop on both sides of the Tasman. Those into the earlier (more Judd influenced) Enz sound would likely find the Swingers also to their taste. At the very least _Counting The Beat_ is well worth tracking down for a listen. cheers, - james matthews .... [EMAIL PROTECTED] "name me a song that everybody knows, i'll bet you it belongs to acuff/rose"