powermail-discuss Digest #2827 - Tuesday, January 26, 2010
Re: Time for an update!
by "Lane Roathe" <l...@roathe.com>
Re(2): Time for an update!
by "George Henne" <g...@nsbasic.com>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Ben Kennedy" <b...@zygoat.ca>
Re: Re(2): Time for an update!
by "A-NO-NE Music" <anonemu...@mac.com>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Jeremy Hughes" <jer...@softpress.com>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Michael J. Hußmann" <mich...@michael-hussmann.de>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Tobias Jung" <new...@tobiasjung.net>
Re(2): Time for an update!
by "George Henne" <g...@nsbasic.com>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Michael J. Hußmann" <mich...@michael-hussmann.de>
Re(2): Time for an update!
by "Peter Lovell" <plov...@mac.com>
Re(3): Time for an update!
by "George Henne" <g...@nsbasic.com>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Michael J. Hußmann" <mich...@michael-hussmann.de>
Re: Time for an update!
by "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Sean McBride" <cwat...@cam.org>
Re: Time for an update!
by "Jeremy Hughes" <jer...@softpress.com>
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Lane Roathe" <l...@roathe.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:38:20 -0600
on Sat, Jan 16, 2010 PowerMail discussions may have said:
>I've been a Powermail fan for years, but I'm getting impatient for some
>improvements.
I an agree with that, there are several things I'd like to see improve;
my list:
1. Larger than 2GB archive sizes (I have two suggestions: a) a way to
create folders that use separate DBs, and/or a DB per email account
2. An option to turn off the double-click to open a URL (ie, default to
OS standard of selecting a word)
3. Ability to auto-sync to a network backup. (ie, instead of moving my
db around on a thumb drive, sync my laptop and desktop to a backup of
the db on a server)
4. Fix the problem where if you select 100 messages and hit "reply" by
mistake (the shortcut key is right next to "mark as read"), PM opens a
reply email to all of those selected messages. (Does anybody ever
actually select 3 or more emails and click Reply to reply to them all?)
5. Connection issues; give meaningful error messages to they can be
diagnosed and repaired
6. UI responsiveness & threading - too many actions, esp. checking email
w/a lot of accounts, cause the entire app to 'pause' for long periods
(10-20 seconds).
7. Better interaction with OS features (calendar, contacts, etc). For
instance, it would be nice to render iCal
z. Cleanup wasted pixel space (low priority, and difficult to do w/good
aesthetics but more pixels is more text is better, imo)
>1. .ics files can't update Calendar.
Works for me, this is actually a OS thing, PM is just telling the system
to open the file; whatever application is assigned to that filename
suffix with handle it. (Don't get me started on losing one of the best
features of Mac OS X w/the loss of creator id's in SL!)
>2. Links inside html emails do not open in many cases.
I seem to recall a few instances when this didn't work, but not any time
recently and not in any that I could find to test today. However, a
double-click should _not_ by default open a url, double-clicks are for
selecting words! (a pet annoyance of mine as I have to select words that
are part of a url multiple times per day)
>3. Emails with inline pictures do not display the pictures inline - they
>only appear as attachments.
Obviously, it would be good on occasion to see properly rendered html
emails, but I never have an issue with this when I click the "Show HTML"
button. Maybe you don't have the html option turned on?
>If you want to have the option of turning that off, fine. At least give
>me the option to view it properly.
>
>PS. What is the danger in displaying inline images?
Well, for one they are almost always used as a way to track you. Having
them on means that any spam email you click on will let the spammer know
that you read their email, making your email address much more valuable
(ie, you will get more spam).
Also, HTML email is very dangerous for another reason - it makes it
extremely easy for crooks to fake URLs (ie, what the user sees as the
url is http://www.bofa.com but the actual url is http://iownzu.com);
HTML email makes it much easier to lure people into going to a website
that will infect their computer, put in tracking cookies, pretend to be
your bank asking for information to confirm security, etc.
I'll put it this way - my 3rd filter in PM is "if email has HTML part,
mark as spam and move to trash"
Lane Roathe, CEO
Ideas From the Deep, llc <http://www.ideasfromthedeep.com>
___________________________________________________________________
Get a great start on your morning with Frosted Flakes in Jolt Cola!
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Subject: Re(2): Time for an update!
From: "George Henne" <g...@nsbasic.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:17:01 -0500
>>1. .ics files can't update Calendar.
>
>Works for me, this is actually a OS thing, PM is just telling the system
>to open the file; whatever application is assigned to that filename
>suffix with handle it. (Don't get me started on losing one of the best
>features of Mac OS X w/the loss of creator id's in SL!)
Except PowerMail does not pick up the ics file as an attachment - it
comes through as part of the body of the email.
>>2. Links inside html emails do not open in many cases.
>
>I seem to recall a few instances when this didn't work, but not any time
>recently and not in any that I could find to test today. However, a
>double-click should _not_ by default open a url, double-clicks are for
>selecting words! (a pet annoyance of mine as I have to select words that
>are part of a url multiple times per day)
I get messages like this every day. Displaying in a browser solves the
problem of course - but I should not have to do that.
>>3. Emails with inline pictures do not display the pictures inline - they
>>only appear as attachments.
>
>Obviously, it would be good on occasion to see properly rendered html
>emails, but I never have an issue with this when I click the "Show HTML"
>button. Maybe you don't have the html option turned on?
I do have it turned on.
>>If you want to have the option of turning that off, fine. At least give
>>me the option to view it properly.
>>
>>PS. What is the danger in displaying inline images?
>
>Well, for one they are almost always used as a way to track you. Having
>them on means that any spam email you click on will let the spammer know
>that you read their email, making your email address much more valuable
>(ie, you will get more spam).
>
>Also, HTML email is very dangerous for another reason - it makes it
>extremely easy for crooks to fake URLs (ie, what the user sees as the
>url is http://www.bofa.com but the actual url is http://iownzu.com);
>HTML email makes it much easier to lure people into going to a website
>that will infect their computer, put in tracking cookies, pretend to be
>your bank asking for information to confirm security, etc.
>
>I'll put it this way - my 3rd filter in PM is "if email has HTML part,
>mark as spam and move to trash"
The images I have an issue with are attached to the email. No links to
external websites are being hit.
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Ben Kennedy" <b...@zygoat.ca>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:13:56 -0800
Lane Roathe wrote at 2:38 PM (-0600) on 1/19/10:
>Well, for one they are almost always used as a way to track you.
In my experience, they are almost always used as a way to... include
images with the message. The tracking thing probably happens, but come
on, isn't your e-mail address already bombarded with spam anyhow? My
server is inundated with spam even to addresses that do not exist.
Tracking or not is moot. I don't expect that it's generally a cost-
effective use of resources for a spammer to implement such a
sophisticated system when it costs nothing to send a message to anywone
regardless. Mostly paranoia.
>Also, HTML email is very dangerous for another reason - it makes it
>extremely easy for crooks to fake URLs (ie, what the user sees as the
>url is http://www.bofa.com but the actual url is http://iownzu.com);
That's a PEBKAC issue. A decent user-agent will show the target URL on
mouse-over (or, in the case of opening the URL in a web browser, it will
be plain in the URL bar).
I hate HTML e-mail as much as the next guy, but I think the fear of
images thing is overreaction.
b
--
Ben Kennedy (chief magician)
zygoat creative technical services
http://www.zygoat.ca
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Subject: Re: Re(2): Time for an update!
From: "A-NO-NE Music" <anonemu...@mac.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:32:20 -0500
On 2010/01/19, at 12:25, George Henne wrote:
> PS. What is the danger in displaying inline images?
My question exactly :-)
--
- Hiro
Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston
http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pearflame&search_type=&aq=f
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <jer...@softpress.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:51:15 +0000
Lane Roathe (19/1/10, 20:38) said:
>1. Larger than 2GB archive sizes (I have two suggestions: a) a way to
>create folders that use separate DBs, and/or a DB per email account
That's my #1 request as well.
I have one email account, and PowerMail's 2GB limit combined with its
monolithic database is a crippling restriction. Having separate
databases for each folder is what Apple Mail does. I wish PowerMail
would do this.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Michael J. Hußmann" <mich...@michael-hussmann.de>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:02:44 +0100
George Henne (g...@nsbasic.com) wrote:
> An html mail with embedded images is a perfectly reasonable thing to
> expect your browser to display properly.
And PowerMail does. Depending on your preferences settings, PM will
either display all the embedded images in HTML mail, or just those sent
with the mail as an attachment. Or it will choose a plain text version,
if available (which happens to be my preference).
There are some remaining issues with HTML mails in PM, such as being
unable to select text or links not working reliably, but displaying
embedded images in HTML mails just works.
I have a hunch the mails you are talking about are actually plain text
mails with attached images interspersed with the text.
- Michael
Michael J. Hußmann
E-mail: mich...@michael-hussmann.de
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Tobias Jung" <new...@tobiasjung.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:37:37 +0100
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Subject: Re(2): Time for an update!
From: "George Henne" <g...@nsbasic.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:12:39 -0500
>George Henne (g...@nsbasic.com) wrote:
>
>> An html mail with embedded images is a perfectly reasonable thing to
>> expect your browser to display properly.
>
>And PowerMail does. Depending on your preferences settings, PM will
>either display all the embedded images in HTML mail, or just those sent
>with the mail as an attachment. Or it will choose a plain text version,
>if available (which happens to be my preference).
>
>There are some remaining issues with HTML mails in PM, such as being
>unable to select text or links not working reliably, but displaying
>embedded images in HTML mails just works.
>
>I have a hunch the mails you are talking about are actually plain text
>mails with attached images interspersed with the text.
No, it does not work properly. The message is indeed html with attached
images. The email displays properly in all other mail programs.
Here's the html in the message. The attachments get named Image001.jpg,
Image002.jpg ..., probably by PowerMail.
<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<html><head><style type="text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 }
--></style><title>Photo bombing</title></head><body>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+3">Photobombing: The Fine Art of Ruining
Other People's Photos</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote align="center"><font face="Times New Roman"><br>
<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:p0624080fc77a4fb9fbeb@[10.0.1.3].1.0" width="477"
height="268"><img src="cid:p0624080fc77a4fb9fbeb@[10.0.1.3].1.1"
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height="300"><img src="cid:p0624080fc77a4fb9fbeb@[10.0.1.3].1.3"
width="378" height="249"><img
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height="294"><img src="cid:p0624080fc77a4fb9fbeb@[10.0.1.3].1.5"
width="397" height="483"><img
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height="463"><img src="cid:p0624080fc77a4fb9fbeb@[10.0.1.3].1.15"
width="436" height="294"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Times New Roman"><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote align="center"><font
face="Times New Roman"> </font></blockquote>
</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>(contributed to Woz by steven velazquez)</div>
</body>
</html>
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Michael J. Hußmann" <mich...@michael-hussmann.de>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:29:35 +0100
George Henne (g...@nsbasic.com) wrote:
> Here's the html in the message. The attachments get named Image001.jpg,
> Image002.jpg ..., probably by PowerMail.
That's odd. I've never seen anything like that, in all the years I've
been using PowerMail.
- Michael
Michael J. Hußmann
E-mail: mich...@michael-hussmann.de
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
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Subject: Re(2): Time for an update!
From: "Peter Lovell" <plov...@mac.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:00:53 -0500
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010, Michael J. Hußmann <mich...@michael-hussmann.de> wrote:
>> Here's the html in the message. The attachments get named Image001.jpg,
>> Image002.jpg ..., probably by PowerMail.
>
>That's odd. I've never seen anything like that, in all the years I've
>been using PowerMail.
The naming is done by the sender as part of the MIME stuff.
Powermail might change the name by adding a number if the name is
already used, but that's all the change I've ever seen.
Cheers.....Peter
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Subject: Re(3): Time for an update!
From: "George Henne" <g...@nsbasic.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:25:33 -0500
>On Fri, Jan 22, 2010, Michael J. Hußmann <mich...@michael-hussmann.de> wrote:
>
>>> Here's the html in the message. The attachments get named Image001.jpg,
>>> Image002.jpg ..., probably by PowerMail.
>>
>>That's odd. I've never seen anything like that, in all the years I've
>>been using PowerMail.
>
>The naming is done by the sender as part of the MIME stuff.
>Powermail might change the name by adding a number if the name is
>already used, but that's all the change I've ever seen.
>
>Cheers.....Peter
Good thinking. Yes, the files do get renamed since the name already
exists (sometimes hundreds of times). I'll bet that is why they don't
display. Hopefully this gives CTMdev enough info to fix this!
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Michael J. Hußmann" <mich...@michael-hussmann.de>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:39:18 +0100
Peter Lovell (plov...@mac.com) wrote:
> The naming is done by the sender as part of the MIME stuff.
> Powermail might change the name by adding a number if the name is
> already used, but that's all the change I've ever seen.
The Image001 ... part would be the filename chosen by the sender. If
there is already a file with this name in the attachments folder, PM
will append a number to the filename and adjust the references to those
files to match the change. I have lots of HTML mails with attached image
files such as "Image001 139.jpg" (where the attachment was originally
named "Image001.jpg") which display just fine.
- Michael
Michael J. Hußmann
E-mail: mich...@michael-hussmann.de
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "MB" <digital.disc...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:42:49 +0100
George Henne quoted:
><!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
><html><head> and so on
Man, that HTML was dreadful.
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Sean McBride" <cwat...@cam.org>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:38:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: Time for an update!
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <jer...@softpress.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:05:50 +0000
Tobias Jung (22/1/10, 11:37) said:
>Don't get my wrong - I don't want to critisize or anything, I'm really
>just curios:
>How many messages do you get?
242179 messages at the moment. I've recently had to prune the database
to continue using it.
>I'm using PowerMail for a year now and PowerMail's DB roughly has 125
>MB. So even if the number of messages will increase a LOT, it'll be
I've been using PowerMail for maybe eight years, and Claris Emailer for
about six years before that. The only way I have managed to continue
using PowerMail is by moving some of my older mailing list emails
(Carbon-Dev, Cocoa-Dev etc.) into Apple Mail. Which means I can't search
them in PowerMail.
>And even then, it'll be sufficient for me to use PMs »Archive and
>Cleanup Assistant« - I really don't need to search messages that, say,
>more than three years old on a daily basis so I wouldn't mind to switch
>the User Environment for this.
I didn't find User Environments to be a satisfactory solution.
The other thing that I find tiresome with PowerMail's monolithic
database is that the entire database needs to be backed up on a daily
basis. With Apple Mail, the only mailboxes that get backed up in an
incremental backup are the ones that have new emails.
If you use (and feel secure using) a backup program that works at a
lower level than system files (i.e. not Retrospect or Time Machine),
this might be less of a problem.
Jeremy
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