powermail-discuss Digest #3139 - Friday, July 24, 2015
Fwd: Underlining goes away when message sent
by "Winston Weinmann" <weinm...@mindspring.com>
Re: The end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
by "Thomas L. Miller" <t...@tlmiller.net>
Magic - wasThe end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
by "T.L. Miller" <t...@tlmiller.net>
Re: Magic - wasThe end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
by "PowerMail Engineering" <jer...@ctmdev.com>
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Subject: Fwd: Underlining goes away when message sent
From: "Winston Weinmann" <weinm...@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:25:58 -0500
I tried to send this in HTML to the Discussion List, as it's about an HTML
problem, but got the message back:
>Your message could not be posted to the PowerMail discussions list because
>the message contained HTML and the list does not accept HTML messages.
So my examples are all in plain text. In the HTML version, "Bold" is in bold,
"Italic" is in italics, and "Underline" is not underlined.
- Winston Weinmann
On rare occasions I use PowerMail's HTML (Format>Make Rich Text) option,
usually so that I can use bold, italic and underlining.
I've just noticed that when I send a message, any underlining I did goes away.
The sent message has no underlining in places it had it in the draft.
The same thing happens if I save a message as a draft, then close and reopen
it. Underlining goes away. Example:
Bold
Italic
Underline
PowerMail version 6.2 build 4666 on Mac OS 10.4.11.
Any solution?
Thanks.
- Winston Weinmann
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Subject: Re: The end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
From: "Thomas L. Miller" <t...@tlmiller.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:33:23 -0400
Well, copying over the 4 ".oldâ files the the other drives after removing the
".old" didn't help.
I think that when I restarted my iMac after cloning and saw the problem, I had
PM First Aid also compact the database. I restarted from a clone, saw the same
problem and may have compacted that too when running PM First Aid. Therefore,
the 4 sets of ".old" files are copies of bad versions.
There are folders missing in Mail Browser and my mac.com still showing as POP3,
and I think that change was done before 2013. I think there is something else
that is causing that problem.
So, it looks like if I want to continue to use PM, I have to set up missing
accounts and use a database missing all the messages from 2014 and most from
2013 and 2015.
It is truly odd that this problem started after cloning to an external hard
drive. Something I had done 100s of times! Sure wish I could go back to last
Saturday in a time machine.
Tom Miller
On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Thomas L. Miller <t...@tlmiller.net> wrote:
Jérôme, thanks for the response. I tried a shortcut of what you recommended
at the bottom (I have two other copies of the entire PM folder on the other
drives). I put an âXâ in front of the file names of the 4 (current) items
and removed â.oldâ from the other 4. That didnât help, but I think that
could be because I compacted the database when I ran PM First Aid a day or two
ago. I may have done the same thing with one of the other drives. However. I
guess I can copy over from the ".oldâ files from the 3rd drive and try that.
Ought to work, right??
The really odd thing is that PM was working perfectly when I quit it before
cloning. I have cloned (SuperDuper) my hard drive 100s of times over the years
with no problems. The clone is a copy of everything â web browser history,
apps, Preferences, Libraries, music, photos, everything. Never has a restart
of my Mac resulted in a change of PMâs Message Databases. These external
hard drives are only active when Iâm making clones â otherwise they are
turned off/disconnected. Very, very, very odd to have this problem!!!!
Tom Miller
On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:02 AM, PowerMail Engineering <jer...@ctmdev.com> wrote:
Thomas L. Miller wrote:
> I saved an unsent message, quit PowerMail and cloned my iMacâs hard
> drive to two external hard drives â nothing unusual, I do every week.
>
> I restarted from the internal drive, and after PM started, I saw that
> except for some very recent messages, I was missing all the messages
> sent after mid-September 2013.
Obviously, PowerMail is now using an older version of your database, and has
only retrieved very recent messages still present on the server.
First possibility: instead of copying your database to the backup drive, you
copied in the wrong way, replacing your main database with the backup. However
if your backup was 1 week old, then you should not have lost all messages since
September 2013.
Second possibility: PowerMail has switched to another database, which was a
backup you made in September 2013. If your two external drives were still
mounted when you started PM, then maybe the 2013 backup was on one of these
drives; if not, then the 2013 backup was on your internal drive. How PowerMail
can switch to another database? Multiple possibilities:
- you switched manually from the file / database / switch user environment
menu, then selected your 2013 backup
- you switched manually by double-clicking in the Finder the Message Database
file from your 2013 backup
- you used Spotlight, which found a message in this backup, and opened the
message
- if your main drive is entirely cloned (which software are you using for
this?), and you boot from your backup drive, then maybe at some point there
will be a confusion between two drives, and the database has been opened from
the cloned drive instead of the main drive. But again, if the clone is more
recent than 2013, then you should not have lost recent messages.
As previously suggested, launch PM then use the file / database / switch user
environment menu. The open dialog will point to the location of the currently
used database. You will see on which drive it is, and in which folder, and you
can select your main database if you are currently using an old backup.
You can search in the Finder for files named "Message Database" to see if you
have multiple copies on your drive. I suggest that you first zip each PowerMail
folder containing those database, to be sure you don't destroy anything, then
double-click on a Message Database file to open it (PM will then "switch" to
this database) and see if it contains your recent messages. If you find
obsolete backups, you can keep a zipped version, but delete the uncompressed
one to be sure to never again switch to it inadvertently.
> PS: Looking at the Message databases in my PM folder, there is only one
> labeled "Message Database,â but one is labeled âMessage Database.oldâ
> and both show today as when last modified.
The .old files are created when you compact your database. You can try to
delete the files without the .old extension, then remove .old from the name, to
restore the database to its state before the last compact (there are 4 of them:
Message Database, Address Database, Server-side Database, and Setup Database;
do this for the 4!). Of course, when you do this, PM should not be running, and
make sure to zip the containing folder first to have a backup.
I hope you will find your messages back!
Jérôme - CTM Engineering
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Subject: Magic - wasThe end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
From: "T.L. Miller" <t...@tlmiller.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:23:48 -0400
I had one more idea I thought would at least get me back a little of what I was
missing.
There are a few apps I really like that won't run on any version of OS X beyond
Snow Leopard. Consequently, I had created a Snow Leopard partition on my iMac
before I went to Lion. I haven't used it in many months (a year or more?), and
for some reason my iMac doesn't even want to start from it -- even though my
Mac came with it or an earlier OS X (a firmware update?)
Anyway, a copy my PowerMail folder from back then was in the partition. I
dragged over the Message Database, Address Database, Server-side Database, and
Setup Database from that partition. Now PowerMail seems to contain everything
I thought I was missing. Even messages I sent the day before I discovered the
problem are in my Sent folder. I don't think I have lost a single sent or
received message.
THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!!!!! Sure am grateful, however!
Tom Miller
OS 10.10.4
PM 6.2.1
On 7/23/15, at 4:33 PM, Thomas L. Miller t...@tlmiller.net said:
>Well, copying over the 4 ".old" files the the other drives after
>removing the ".old" didn't help.
>
>I think that when I restarted my iMac after cloning and saw the problem,
>I had PM First Aid also compact the database. I restarted from a clone,
>saw the same problem and may have compacted that too when running PM
>First Aid. Therefore, the 4 sets of ".old" files are copies of bad versions.
>
>There are folders missing in Mail Browser and my mac.com still showing
>as POP3, and I think that change was done before 2013. I think there is
>something else that is causing that problem.
>
>So, it looks like if I want to continue to use PM, I have to set up
>missing accounts and use a database missing all the messages from 2014
>and most from 2013 and 2015.
>
>It is truly odd that this problem started after cloning to an external
>hard drive. Something I had done 100s of times! Sure wish I could go
>back to last Saturday in a time machine.
>
>
>Tom Miller
>
>
>On Jul 23, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Thomas L. Miller <t...@tlmiller.net> wrote:
>
>Jérôme, thanks for the response. I tried a shortcut of what you
>recommended at the bottom (I have two other copies of the entire PM
>folder on the other drives). I put an "X" in front of the file names of
>the 4 (current) items and removed ".old" from the other 4. That didn't
>help, but I think that could be because I compacted the database when I
>ran PM First Aid a day or two ago. I may have done the same thing with
>one of the other drives. However. I guess I can copy over from the
>".old" files from the 3rd drive and try that. Ought to work, right??
>
>The really odd thing is that PM was working perfectly when I quit it
>before cloning. I have cloned (SuperDuper) my hard drive 100s of times
>over the years with no problems. The clone is a copy of everything --
>web browser history, apps, Preferences, Libraries, music, photos,
>everything. Never has a restart of my Mac resulted in a change of PM's
>Message Databases. These external hard drives are only active when I'm
>making clones -- otherwise they are turned off/disconnected. Very, very,
>very odd to have this problem!!!!
>
>Tom Miller
>
>
>
>On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:02 AM, PowerMail Engineering <jer...@ctmdev.com> wrote:
>
>Thomas L. Miller wrote:
>
>> I saved an unsent message, quit PowerMail and cloned my iMac's hard
>> drive to two external hard drives -- nothing unusual, I do every week.
>>
>> I restarted from the internal drive, and after PM started, I saw that
>> except for some very recent messages, I was missing all the messages
>> sent after mid-September 2013.
>
>Obviously, PowerMail is now using an older version of your database, and
>has only retrieved very recent messages still present on the server.
>
>First possibility: instead of copying your database to the backup drive,
>you copied in the wrong way, replacing your main database with the
>backup. However if your backup was 1 week old, then you should not have
>lost all messages since September 2013.
>
>Second possibility: PowerMail has switched to another database, which
>was a backup you made in September 2013. If your two external drives
>were still mounted when you started PM, then maybe the 2013 backup was
>on one of these drives; if not, then the 2013 backup was on your
>internal drive. How PowerMail can switch to another database? Multiple
>possibilities:
>- you switched manually from the file / database / switch user
>environment menu, then selected your 2013 backup
>- you switched manually by double-clicking in the Finder the Message
>Database file from your 2013 backup
>- you used Spotlight, which found a message in this backup, and opened
>the message
>- if your main drive is entirely cloned (which software are you using
>for this?), and you boot from your backup drive, then maybe at some
>point there will be a confusion between two drives, and the database has
>been opened from the cloned drive instead of the main drive. But again,
>if the clone is more recent than 2013, then you should not have lost
>recent messages.
>
>As previously suggested, launch PM then use the file / database / switch
>user environment menu. The open dialog will point to the location of the
>currently used database. You will see on which drive it is, and in which
>folder, and you can select your main database if you are currently using
>an old backup.
>
>You can search in the Finder for files named "Message Database" to see
>if you have multiple copies on your drive. I suggest that you first zip
>each PowerMail folder containing those database, to be sure you don't
>destroy anything, then double-click on a Message Database file to open
>it (PM will then "switch" to this database) and see if it contains your
>recent messages. If you find obsolete backups, you can keep a zipped
>version, but delete the uncompressed one to be sure to never again
>switch to it inadvertently.
>
>> PS: Looking at the Message databases in my PM folder, there is only one
>> labeled "Message Database," but one is labeled "Message Database.old"
>> and both show today as when last modified.
>
>The .old files are created when you compact your database. You can try
>to delete the files without the .old extension, then remove .old from
>the name, to restore the database to its state before the last compact
>(there are 4 of them: Message Database, Address Database, Server-side
>Database, and Setup Database; do this for the 4!). Of course, when you
>do this, PM should not be running, and make sure to zip the containing
>folder first to have a backup.
>
>I hope you will find your messages back!
>
>
>Jérôme - CTM Engineering
>
>
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> "The searching is fairly flexible on iOS and the speed is blinding.
> I mean instant, like you've got a Mac Pro doing it. If you use
> Foxtrot Search, get FoxTrot Attaché. If you don't use Foxtrot Search
> and you have a lot of files to search, check it out."
>FoxTrot Attaché Search user comment on iTunes Store UK
>
> Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch
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>
>
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Subject: Re: Magic - wasThe end???? was: I did it again -- what a dummy!
From: "PowerMail Engineering" <jer...@ctmdev.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:36:00 +0200
T.L. Miller wrote:
>Anyway, a copy my PowerMail folder from back then was in the partition.
>...
>I don't think I have lost a single sent or received message.
>
>THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!!!!! Sure am grateful, however!
You have certainly "switched" to this database, on the alternate partition,
when using Spotlight, a long time ago. If Spotlight finds a message from
another database, and you open that message, then PowerMail switches to this
database. Then you kept using this database since then.
I don't know exactly how, maybe using Spotlight again, but you switched back to
the database from your boot drive recently, and it was missing all messages
since you stopped using it (2013).
Again, you can see where is stored the currently used database: select the file
/ database / switch user environment, and check which folder is show in the
open dialog. Do you understand what I mean?
And again, to avoid inadvertently switching database again, make sure you have
one and only one database on your usually mounted drives and partitions. As
previously explained, search for files named "Message Database" in the Finder,
and if you find some other than the current one, compress then delete the
folder containing them, and empty the trash.
Jérôme - CTM Engineering
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