I'd get a source with the normal Canberra energy lines and then add Am-241 to 
see the true performance before rather than deciding based upon our opinion 
poll.  You can share a performance graph like the one below that doesn't have 
Am-241.  I don't have such a neat graph and would like to see one...  Maybe 
it's on the Canberra Coffee cup that I can't seem to find...

Glen Vickers
Exelon Corp RP Technical Lead, CHP
815-216-2723 (work/cell)


From: Vickers, Glen:(GenCo-Nuc)
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Quick Whole Body Counter Benchmark


1.       Do you include Am-241 as one of the standard nuclides in your WBC 
Library?

No.  Cal goes down to 88 keV.  Very significant changes in slope and concavity 
<250 keV.  Most difficult part of NaI energy and FWHM cal.  A couple channels 
off and you may not ID at all.  Look at your efficiency curves on a linear 
instead of log scale and you'll see just how much the monitor performance 
changes over a narrow energy range.  Have not put Am-241 in library recently 
and turned on MDAs to see how high Am-241 LLD would be, but it may be higher 
than your dosimetry action level for in-vitro samples.  Just because I didn't 
see it, I wouldn't think I'm okay.  If I did see it, it's probably a false ID 
and then you're chasing a ghost.  I'd include alpha based upon work area smears 
and air samples.

2.       Is Am-241 part of your mixed gamma calibration source (do you 
calibrate the 59 keV energy line)?

Canberra multi-energy line sources typically start at 88 keV.  Look at the 
graph below and look at the detector response, The change in response is nearly 
infinite and not how we typically select detectors.  We try to pick detectors 
with minimal change in response over an energy range.  It's clear in this case 
that the slope of the response at 60 keV is the most extreme I've seen.  I'm 
thinking Canberra  would say the same if they were looking at the same data.

3.       What type of Whole Body Counter do you use (e.g. Canberra Fastscan, 
Canberra Accuscan, etc)?

Canberra Fastscan NaI, recently purchased Accuscan with Germanium detector, but 
haven't played with it yet.  Germanium Accuscan is a very nice unit with very 
good resolution.  I don't have a response graph for the germanium yet to review 
like the one below.



Check out the calibration graphs below for the Fastscan NaI and see where 
Am-241 would fall.  The answer to the test question is no, if it asks if this 
is a good detector for 60 keV... You also see why they have 3 energy lines down 
low to try to describe the performance in this region of extreme change.  The 
lower three energy lines are always the most difficult for energy and FWHM cal 
and the ANSI precision and bias calcs...

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Glen Vickers
Exelon Corp RP Technical Lead, CHP
815-216-2723 (work/cell)


From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Holmes, Stephen J:(GINNA)
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:36 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Powernet: Quick Whole Body Counter Benchmark

Hello all, quick benchmark on WBC Operation and Calibration:


4.       Do you include Am-241 as one of the standard nuclides in your WBC 
Library?



5.       Is Am-241 part of your mixed gamma calibration source (do you 
calibrate the 59 keV energy line)?



6.       What type of Whole Body Counter do you use (e.g. Canberra Fastscan, 
Canberra Accuscan, etc)?


Thanks,

-Steve

Stephen J Holmes, CHP, PE
Principal Plant Health Physicist, RE Ginna NPP
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585-771-3577(main); 845-476-0796 (cell)


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