On 5/31/07, Noah yan <noah.yan at gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > let me ask: what is your status of building and testing the current > available code base?
I've got it built & it boots on my little G4 mac mini. It fails to set up it's memory along the way >what are you expecting from the coming code drop? I have no idea, and that's a large part of what gets me so pissed off at the whole process. Let me use a software metaphor here, and it's as if Sun Labs put a lock on the /entire/ codebase waiting to accomplish something. I'd be downright friendly if the lock were more fine grained ( eg, we got weekly updates something to the effect of "hey, i'm working on the scheduler this week" or "hey, i've fixed that memory mapping problem last week, I'm moving on to the kernel allocation routines for next" ), even if code didn't show up with the updates for a while, so that we could at least have a log of what does and does not work in order to focus our efforts elsewhere, presuming we get code on a fairly regular basis, not once per year. > It seems to me that you just want a code drop, not matter what it is. In a sense, perhaps. I very much believe in open development. If you're asking what I'd like to see, I'd like to see a kernel that completely works. That's just wishful thinking though and I don't expect a couple guys could get that much work done in that little time. A kernel that boots to single user would be nice if possible, but again, I have no idea what the status of the project is because it's been hidden behind sun's firewall for so long there's no way to guess what's going on > Noah > > On 5/31/07, John Sonnenschein <johnsonnenschein at gmail.com> wrote: > > No, it's an empty promise because every time anyone's asked about > > status they're given the same "yeah, we've got some stuff, we'll get > > it out really quick" response, yet we haven't heard so much as a word > > of what specifically is being worked on and I've stopped believing > > we'll ever see anything. > > > > If we get some code, great, but statements in the vein of "hold on, > > we're just finishing something" should be treated as the worthless > > empty statement it is. > > > > I'd love to be proved wrong, but at the moment I have Sun Labs > > categorized as "hostile to the community, under no circumstances > > should they be trusted" > > > > On 5/31/07, Brian D. Horn <Brian.Horn at sun.com> wrote: > > > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > > > On 5/31/07, Dennis Clarke <dclarke at blastwave.org> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > On 5/31/07, Brian D. Horn <Brian.Horn at sun.com> wrote: > > > >> >> Tom swears that he will get a new code drop with LOTS of > > > >> >> new goodies out soon. I'll pester him to make sure it happens. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yeah, tom has been promising us code "Real Soon Now" for a long time, > > > >> > and all it's done is stalled community development, so I'm not buying > > > >> > it & I'm quite frankly tired of hearing about it. > > > >> > > > > >> > If the code isn't open, it doesn't exist. Promises to the contrary > > > >> > are > > > >> > more than unproductive, they're hostile to the project. > > > >> > > > >> John, chill out just a tad here. > > > >> > > > >> If you want to blame someone then fire some blame at me. I saw > > > >> that the > > > >> polaris.blastwave.org server was out of control and I shut it down. It > > > >> would have been at about the same time as a big server room move and > > > >> once > > > >> the new server room was in place and the rack rolled in I simply never > > > >> brought it back up. Seen blastware lately? It is gone too as are a > > > >> stack of the extensions to genunix.net etc etc. I simply watched them > > > >> pass into nothingness. I'll go and register them again and maybe even > > > >> recover blastware also. Who knows .. we may create a pure community > > > >> based > > > >> distro yet. > > > >> > > > > > > > > It's not about blame. > > > > > > > > it's preposterous that even after I rant about how promises that don't > > > > have included source code are damaging to the project, we're given yet > > > > another empty promise! > > > > > > > > I don't care to hear "any time now"... I stand by my previous > > > > statement that if we can't see the code, it doesn't exist, and saying > > > > that it does exist is just hurting us as a project. Whether this harm > > > > is intentional or not is irrelevant to the fact that we're best served > > > > by either development being open, or it not existing at all > > > I see.... I make a commitment that I will make something happen in the > > > near future and since it didn't happen in the four minutes between my > > > posting > > > and yours it was an empty promise.... hmmmmm..... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 > > Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu > > _______________________________________________ > > powerpc-discuss mailing list > > powerpc-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu
