> > What is the availability and price of the Pegasos
> in Europe?
> 
>  From: https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php 
> 
>   euro 650 ($800).

Thanks!  Since I received quite a few messages after my post, here's my little
comparison chart (having checked the EUR/USD rate which is @ 1.21 currently):

Pegasos                                  |  Mac mini

1.00 GHz G4 processor             |   1.42 GHz G4 processor
512MB DDR RAM                    |   512MB DDR RAM
80GB ATA100 Hard Disk           |   80GB ATA Hard Disk
Dual-Layer DVD?RW Drive       |   DVD?RW Drive
ATI Radeon 9250 graphics         |   ATI Radeon 9200 graphics
Low Profile Small Footprint         |  Low Profile Small Footprint
EUR 661 (approx) + Tax             |  EUR 637,06 + Tax (Apple store)
~ EUR 50 shipping                     |  free shipping

(sorry for the messy layout, this crappy discussion software does not line
 up things properly)

> So the mac mini is in fact cheaper (faster chip, no
> o dvd burner - not 
> that a dvd burner is all that interesting for
> bringup).

Indeed.  I don't need fancy graphics or a DVD burner for a system
that will be mostly running headless.  I just want to play around with
NetBSD and OpenSolaris on a PPC machine.  I don't need PCI slots
or the option of upgrading the CPU, either.

> > Wouldn't it be more feasible to use a Mac mini?
> 
> Not that the Mac mini isn't nifty, but I'm wondering
> g to what extent
> that is investing in a platform that's on its way
> out.

Well, the current AMD and Intel CPUs are always on their "way out", since
there is a newer/faster/whatever one out there every month. 

> For purely selfish reasons I'd like to see support
> t for the system on
> chip ppc systems that are in use as system
> controllers,

Such as the one in the 20z/40z maybe?  :-)

> So starting with something like the Pegasos
> or a Mac does make
> sense.

Agreed.  The Mac mini is a mass market product, and thus sold
around the corner. :-)

> If I had a budget for this (I don't), I'd pick up
> p both systems and
> start with whichever reset more quickly. 

If wishes were fishes... :-)

> Another compelling feature to look for is debugging
> g support from OBP.
> IIRC, the Apple systems are pretty basic in that
> regard.

That is a good point.
 
> An external reset button might make the thing last
> t longer - the x86
> test machine in my office that I used for much of
> new-boot (and
> leadville x86) doesn't have one, and the power supply
> is now a little
> flaky.

I'd use an extension cord with a switch.


Regards -- Volker
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