jawaban yang menarik.

apa tepatnya jenis teologi yang menolak rasionalitas,
logika dan dialektika itu?

perlu pula dicatat, tak semua sarjana besar islam
yang dituduh sesat itu ilmuwan di bidang eksakta. beberapa
dari mereka adalah filsuf sosial dan penyair.

salam anti babat,


At 12:50 PM 7/2/2008 +0200, you wrote:

>Pada zaman sesudah wafatnya rasulullah Muhammad saw, pertengkaran 
>memperrebutkan warisan "singgasana" kepemimipinan ummat Muslimin (bukan 
>keteladanan rasulullah Muhammad saw dalam membumikan firman-firman Qurani) 
>yang sudah mencapai ratusan ribu manusia menjadi agenda politik pada masa 
>itu. Jadi sejarah telah berulang kembali ke sitkon tradisi kabilah dan 
>tradisi warlords. Justru sesungguhnya pencerahan yang dibawa rasulullah 
>Muhammad saw adalah untuk mengganti tradisi-tradisi tersebut dengan sistem 
>kemasyarakatan baru yang lebih canggih. Di tingkat ini terjadilah 
>perebutan KEKUASAAN POLITIK di antara para sahabat-sahabat rasulullah 
>Muhammad saw, sehingga terjadi saling bunuh dan saling babat.
>
>Dalam hal perebutan kekuasaan politik ini seseorang harus mempunyai 
>sandaran ideologis yang dapat membenarkan langkah-langkah politiknya. 
>Al-Dinu al-Islam yang rasional, logis dan dialektis itu kemudian 
>di"sucikan" oleh tradisi masyarakat lama dalam wujud theologi yang menolak 
>rasionalitas, logika dan dialektika. Gejala theologisasi atas Al-Dinu 
>al-Islam itu sudah mulai muncul ketika rasulullah Muhammad saw masih hidup 
>dan berjuang. Karena itu para 'ulama theologi sangat memusuhi 
>rasionalitas, logika dan dialektika yang dikembangkan para 'ulama sains 
>dari firman-firman Qurani, sebagaimana terjadi pada Galileo Galilei.
>
>Wassalam,
>A.M
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Nugroho Dewanto
>To: <mailto:ppiindia%40yahoogroups.com>ppiindia@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:15 AM
>Subject: [ppiindia] great scholars or great apostates? make up your mind
>
>tulisan ini pernah diposting carla.
>
>mungkin pak a. marconi bisa memberi pencerahan
>mengapa para sarjana besar islam ini dulu mendapat
>perlakuan tak jauh berbeda dengan galileo di dunia kristen?
>
> >dear Pak Kartono,
> >
> >actually there're scientist, philosophers, mathematican, astronomers that
> >could be associated with islam such as:
> >1. al- farabi, ibn sina, al-kindi ( these three philosophers combined
> >aristotelianism and neoplatonism with other ideas introduced to Islam) but
> >sadly in their era, their teaching according to islam was heretic and they
> >re considered as non-islamic philosophers.
> >
> >abt ibn sina: excelled in medicine but his contribution to science and
> >philosophy is also greatly remembered. Muslims proudly call him the doctor
> >of doctors and enjoy virtual pleasure, alleging him as a golden age of
> >golden Islam. Despite taking the credit, Muslim countries never benefited
> >from his works, however many hospitals, clinics, pharmacies and hotels of
> >Islamic countries are named after him. Ironically, European universities
> >added Ibn Sina's medical and philosophical works to their curriculum but
> >they remained unknown to the witch factories aka madrassas of the Muslim
> >world.
> >
> >However, his freethinking mind did not accept the absurdities of Islam. He
> >opined in his autobiography under the chapter of "THE AFTER LIFE". - "
> >after life is a notion received from religious teaching; there is no way
> >of establishing it's truth save by way of religious dogma and acceptance
> >of the prophet's report as true; there refers to what will befall the body
> >at the resurrection and those corporal delights or torments which are too
> >well-known to require restating here."
> >Even during his lifetime ibn sina (Avicenna) was suspected of infidelity
> >to Islam; after his death accusations of heresy, free thought and atheism
> >were repeatedly leveled against him."
> >
> >2. al razi ( abu bakr mohammed ibn zakariya ar- razi)
> >another great physician wrote more than 200 books of
> >one half of them are about medicine and rest in physics, mathematics and
> >astronomy. Like Ibn Sina, Ar-Razi's works had set milestones in medical
> >science. The most controversial book "On Prophecy" has not survived for an
> >obvious reason. Most likely embarrassed Muslims could not swallow the
> >contents that humiliated the prophet of Islam. Somehow, a part of his
> >second book slipped through the hand of ignorant. Ar-Razi quipped -"These
> >billy goats (Prophets) pretend to come with a message from God, all the
> >while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the
> >masses blind obedience to the "words of the master."
> >
> >3. abu 'l-ala ahmad b. abdallah al-ma'arri
> >al ma'arri was also known as the eastern lucretius was famous for poetry
> >and grammar, He was born in Syria but traveled many places until he became
> >blind. He lived in Baghdad for only eighteen months but within this short
> >time he made a name for himself as a poet. After returning from Baghdad ,
> >he lived in his hometown Marra for another fifty years. Because of his
> >fame, students from distant places went to Al-Marri to learn from him.
> >Like Ibn Sina, al-Marri did not believe in resurrection and strongly
> >condemned religious beliefs. One of his poems says it all..
> >
> >"Hanifs (Muslims) are stumbling, Christians all astray
> >Jews wildered, Magians far on error's way.
> >We mortals are composed of two great schools:
> >Enlightened knaves else religious fools...'
> >
> >4. astronomer and and philosopher muslim born Omar khayam.
> >Omar khayam was best known for his rubaiyats or poems but he was
> >outstanding mathematican and astronomers, He also wrote a book of music,
> >an un-Islamic act that may throw him in a burning hell. His calculation of
> >365.24219858156 days making a year is so close to accurate that modern
> >scientists respectfully remember his name. Omar Khayyam also found a
> >geometric solution of cubic equations.
> >
> >Islam strictly prohibits Martini and bikini. According to Quran, Muslim
> >women are not allowed to reveal their beauty and drinking wine gives you a
> >one-way ticket to hell. But Omar Khayyam was an admirer of beauty and wine.
> >
> >"Drinking wine is my travail
> >Till my body is dead and stale
> >At my grave site all shall hail
> >Odor of wine shall prevail."
> >
> >Another piece of gem..
> >"Heaven is incomplete without a heavenly romance
> >Let a glass of wine be my present circumstance
> >Take what is here now, let go of a promised chance
> >A drumbeat is best heard from a distance."
> >
> >Sadly, Muslim intellectuals do not understand that those golden age of
> >Islam did not care for the Quran neither they discovered anything out of
> >that book. Even though they had the chance of discovering from relatively
> >fresh Quran but they followed the trend of Pythagoras, Aristotle (384-322
> >BC), Euclid (325-265 BC), Archimedes (287-212 BC), Ptolemy (85-165 AD).
> >
> >Jabir Ibn Haiyan, born unknown and died in 803, probably saw the earliest
> >Quran, served hot from the oven. Interestingly he called Socrates 'the
> >father and mother of all philosophers' and considered him as the prototype
> >of the real chemist instead of finding any chemical formula from the
> >Quran. Pythagoras has often been mentioned in various works of those
> >scholars but failed to discover the speed, velocity or acceleration of
> >Mohammad's unicorn, the mythical horse called Buraque. Bernard Lewis has
> >rightly concluded in his book "What Went Wrong?- The Islamic Empire
> >inherited "the knowledge and skills of the ancient Middle east, of Greece
> >and of Persia, it added to them new and important innovations from
> >outside, such as the manufacture of paper from China and decimal
> >positional numbering from India.
> >
> >Liberal Abbasid Caliphates such as Harun-al-Rashid and Mamun sponsored
> >those great scholars of the middle age. They were tolerant enough to allow
> >Aristotelian logic, adopted as a framework upon which to build science and
> >philosophy but contrary to Quranic teachings. Eventually, some Muslims
> >understood the threat of real knowledge and how this movement was
> >undermining Islam. At the end of 10th century, famous theologian and a
> >perfect Muslim al-Ghazali brought back the origin of Islam, the real Islam
> >that was practiced by the founder of the religion. In his book, "The
> >destruction of philosophy" - al-Ghazali challenged the process of
> >reasoning because it cannot prove the reality of Allah. Philosophical
> >thoughts and scientific investigations were pushed aside and by the time
> >of his death in 1111, the glorious days of medieval age became a story of
> >the past.
> >
> >Actually these great scholars flourished not because of Islam but they
> >thrived because they abandoned Islam. When Muslim intellectuals
> >desperately try to brand those great people with Islamic marker, it
> >becomes obvious that they are suffering from inferiority complex and
> >abusing those scholars in the name of Islam.
> >
> >Is it not ironic that those incredible achievements were made by all
> >basically apostates in Islam.
>
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